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  1. alam1108

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    If she'd be somewhere its the DC thread.

    Unfortunately the actress playing the recent rendition of her is fit but not curvy.
     
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    Nice.

    Bernthal is going to kill as the comic book version of Punisher. I loved Jane's because he did a great job of telling a story. I honestly didn't care for War Zone although I suppose it was a more comic appropriate Punisher.

    I'm more excited about Daredevil than almost any other Marvel product right now. Civil War is the only thing more than Daredevil to look forward to, but even then we only get 2 hours.
     
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    Netflix and Marvel are doing something great. I cannot wait for when the Defenders are all on screen. And apparently there's a chance that they can be in the Infinity Wars movies.

    I'm other news, what's this about the Gambit standalone movie getting canned?
     
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    The movie is still in production technically, but Tatum seems to be bailing on it. No one is quite sure yet what the reason is on that though.
     
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    Even though he's flopped every big role he's had, I like Riggins/Taylor Kitsch much better than Tatum anyhow. Give the role back to him.
     
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    I'd rather they move in a completely different direction honestly. I don't like Kitsch and I didn't like his Gambit much. I don't want Tatum though either, he's too big for the role now. It needs to go to someone less well known I think. Gambit really isn't a dominant character.
     
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    Jason Biggs as a Spidey villain? I mean, he can play a bumbling, clueless idiot, but a villain? He can play a douche, he can play himself, but a villain? Come on now. Zane, I actually don't have a problem with.
     
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    Latino review is poo.
     
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    I like Kraven as the bad guy. Weird dude hunting a kid down in high school? Sounds like fun on the bun. I'd prefer if there was also a secondary bad guy that was sillier. Something like what they did with Shocker in Ultimate Spider-Man would be perfect.

    On another note: F4 has gotten just an awful reception so far. The only ones who have liked it: those that went to a private screening for it. If you went to a private screening aren't you more apt to like it/want to like it? The fact that the studio kept the media from posting reviews about it until opening night is pretty telling.
     
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    When you can't find enough footage for a 2 minute trailer to make it look like anything other than a steaming pile of s***...that's typically not a good thing.

    A future X-Men cross over is the only thing that will salvage that property.
     
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    I just watched Ant-Man over the weekend. I think it's a pretty solid way to end Phase 2. It was unexpectedly funny. Not quite the "heist" movie they were trying to push it as but it was still enjoyable. Paul Rudd was pretty darn good as a superhero.
     
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    FOX's best Marvel movie right there. Looks really good.

    I also love the look of Colossus. He looks very true to the comics.
     
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    ^ I should have been wearing my white pants.....

    I was cautiously optimistic about this movie after the test footage but now I'm excited. That trailer captured Deadpool very well and I lost it at the super suit not being green or animated joke.... Next year is comic book movie heaven.
     
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    I think I'm biased because I've always thought the characters in Fantastic 4 are stupid. So the commercials and trailers look stupid to me, and the insane amount of marketing they're doing for the movie also makes me think it can't stand on its own. In addition, Silver Surfer is one of the worst movies I've ever seen, I saw it in the theater because someone else wanted to, and haven't seen it since. I guess I don't get why they continue to try and make these movies, obviously the money aspect, but on the other hand it can easily bomb.

    Side rant on the F4 characters, not a comic book reader, so I didn't grow up having them explained to me. Without that, I don't get them, and they seem stupid, and like they took 4 of the dumbest superhero powered characters and stuck them in a group. I mean, one characters powers are activated by saying "flame on", how does that work? Is he Inspector Gadget? Wolverine doesn't have to say "extend claws!" and Spider-Man doesn't have to say "shoot webs!". And he's has fire power so he can fly? Ok... And invisibility, wow, great power, you can spy on people and steal. And stretch man, how cool, he doesn't have to get up to do anything or get anything. And the thing, he's the Hulk without the ability to change back into a person to have a girlfriend, or do basic things like sit in a regular chair at a restaurant or use a normal sized remote control on a normal sized couch. He's an orange, permanent Hulk that must want to die constantly. These characters are horrible, how did they popular at all?
     
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    Aight lemme take a whack at this. :D

    Re: the movie- It looks awful because well it's awful. The director Josh Trank actually wanted to make Chronicle 2 which would be a sequel to a fairly good/successful movie about kids with powers that weren't superheroes. Instead FOX pushed him into making Fantastic Four so that they could keep the rights away from Marvel. You see Marvel and FOX have a pretty contentious relationship, they don't get along. FOX has been making Fantastic Four movies since the 90s just to keep the rights away from Marvel. They made a movie back in I think 1994 that was absolutely ridiculously terrible and didn't even get released (not even DVD sales!). It didn't matter too much back then of course because Marvel wasn't making movies yet. But when FOX did it again in the early 2000s just to keep the rights away from Marvel, the two of them never really reconciled. I think there's more to it, but that's another topic. Anyway, they pushed this movie on Trank and he proceeded to poop all over it. He encouraged the cast not to read the comics, they made the controversial casting decision with the split race family, there were a ton of issues during production as the studio tried to change more of the story, Dr. Doom (one of Marvel's greatest characters) was crapped on by this script, literally a third of the movie was cut from the final piece of the film. It's a train wreck and it basically is just to keep the rights away from Marvel.

    The problem really on stems from the fact that superhero movies are trendy right now so they thought "why not cash in as well as keep the rights?" so they overmarketed the movie. Now the movie looks like a total bomb and all this advertising money is going to bite them on the ***. I predict they'll cancel the already scheduled sequel and just sit on the rights for another 7 years to keep Marvel away from their property.

    Re: the actual Fantastic Four- The FF was the first superhero family Marvel ever created back in the 60s. That's why their powers seem so lame and why they seem so generic: they were the first. The thing that really makes them intriguing though in the comics isn't their powers at all, it's their family dynamic. They are open with the public, they're a superhero group, and they have all the same issues as any normal family. They fight, they argue, they love, they have children, they have all kinds of stuff like that. They've managed to stay relevant as just being the dysfunctional family of Marvel. Constantly bickering, sometimes splitting up, but always having each other's backs. That's how they roll!
     
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    Good post @therealdeal.

    Weezy, you are right in identifying the ridiculous nature of some of the FF story. "Flame On!" is easily the corniest thing ever conceived, but keep in mind this was early 1960s. Torch's flight ability is never explained but neither is Superman's. Mr. Fantastic's real power is not so much his stretchiness but his brain. The real star of the team though is the Thing. IMO one of the greatest characters in the MU. He is the quintessential tragic hero.

    And this movie looks like total garbage.
     
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    Oh yeah! Human Torch's power isn't reliant on the "Flame On!" thing, it's just sort of his catch phrase. He can light up without saying it. Also, he flies by shooting fire out of his feet like a rocket! That's pretty sweet. "It's Clobbering Time!" is definitely a throwback 60s kind of thing. They joke about it constantly in modern comics as being outdated and silly, but it's just his thing now.

    And Thing is definitely a rockstar (oh I went there!). I love his character. @Weezy you're 100% right: he's always sad. He's alienated by his looks almost throughout his comic book life and the things he does as a hero are done because he's just genuinely a good person. He does all of these great things despite being profoundly unhappy and feeling like an outcast. Just an awesome character and a fantastic juxtaposition to Johnny Storm who is literally a rockstar meaning he's a party-er and uses his fame to pick up chicks and the like. He's a good dude, but the absolute opposite of what the Thing is.
     
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