If George can be had, he's one of the few guys I'd be willing to trade basically all our youth for. I know he's an LA guy and I know he wants to be here (has basically said as much) but the timing wasn't right and he had to sign back in Indy. It just made too much sense financially. If the pick, Russell, and Clarkson or Randle got us a shot at George I take it and don't look back. If Butler gets attention over here, George gIves us life. I doubt it'd happen but he's one of the few I give up our youth for. One of the very very few.
I don't know we'll see, but there are whispers that Vogel might not return. George obviously likes playing for him and if he was fired I could see PG getting frustrated with that. I don't think anyone really expects him to stay. The team as constructed doesn't have a very high ceiling. They're not really a FA destination unless Turner develops into a star, but he's still 2/3 years away from reaching that imo.
We have to get the pick first. I think BS is just spamming at this point. But the main point about the fact that we might use the pick (if we can retain it) for a FA is a strong one. I do believe that part is real. Depends on who can get. I don't see PG13 coming here via Indy. I don't see how they would ever go for it. However, if it's in any way a possibility, whoa! Not getting my hopes up for that one. Agreed with realdeal. The list of star players I would trade two of our young core for is tiny. But Paul George is one. I love that guy.
That actually wasn't meant to be a personal shot at you or anyone else. And I want to say I was one of the first guys who mentioned us bringing in Deng and people rejected it, but anyways. I don't mind bringing in most of the names mentioned, but DeRozan is being heavily underrated on here as of late. And I'll keep saying this, we're going to sign multiple players so most of the debating going on here isn't going to matter in the end in my opinion. I'll leave it there to keep from going in circles on this one.
I wouldn't trade our entire core for PG, if we keep our pick and pg is unhappy and wants out then there's no other deal better than Clarkson, + top pick plus 3rd team to get more picks for them, Lou and Nick young trade bait etc.... Imagine Dlo PG Free agent Randle Free agent
Paul George is a top six/seven player in this league. A franchise player. If we got him you could book mark Westbrook coming here next season. The guy has so much respect around the league after coming back with avengance after that devastating leg injury. It's a no brainer. If it's just Clarkson and the pick the C Bags would probably top that offer.
Anyone would top that offer. George has no power to decide where he wants to go, he's under contract for two more years. If George ever became available, the Pacers would get a king's ransom for him. Certainly there would be better offers than Clarkson and a pick.
Very rational opinion but I just don't think we have the luxury of picking from a position of power. We don't have much leverage to view it as you do. IMO. I think you have to go for the "sexy" names first in our case. That being said, I'd be happy with most of those guys. Not a fan of batum though.
Would you guys trade the 2016 1st rounder, Clarkson & Randle for PG? We'd probably take another player back too. I don't think Indy's ready to accept a rebuild though.
I would trade Russell as well. If that's what it took and I'm as big a fan of the kid as anyone on this board. George is one of only maybe six or seven players I'd trade him for.
I'm ALL IN for PG13. And yes, THAT is a player you trade the entire core for and our offer beats EVERYONE's offer if that happens. If you can somehow hang onto one of Randle, Clarkson and Russell and still get PG13 while taking back a bad contract like Monta Ellis to help the Pacers truly rebuild....do it. But yes, yes yes on PG13. That's literally a guarantee of KD and Westbrook coming here....i mean the flood gates would open once you got Paul George.
Yes. If you changed that to 1st, Clarkson, and Russell I still say yes. If you say 1st, Clarkson, Russell, AND Randle I still might say yes. Give me Paul George if at all possible. A star player at a position of need who plays big in big moments and is only 26 years old? Yes. Give me that guy.
Lou+Pick+clarkson+Russell for PG and Monta Sign Horford or Whiteside and some depth such as Afflalo, Deng, cheap vet point guard,etc as FAs Sign Durant and Westbrook the following summer. 2018 champs Westbrook/Monta George/Afflalo Durant/Deng Randle/Nance Whiteside or Horford/Black
Not to mention a star player that is about as close to Kobe Bryant as you can get and happens to be in a commercial SAYING he'll be Kobe Bryant...give me that guy. Also, not to mention how much respect he has around the league from guys that we're trying to get (KD, Westbrook, Cousins basically all the Team USA guys)....The Lakers WILL be a destination again if they can land PG13. And what a great start it would be to Luke's coaching career to get a team built around PG13 (and possibly pair him with KD and others).
That's a lot for one guy, but I wouldn't be opposed. I want to understand the thought process here - gamble the future for guaranteed success (Paul George) because we don't know if Randle/Russell/Clarkson will actually pan out? Is that the idea? We know we'll get 5-7 years of PG and thus likely a Westbrook or Whiteside as well. We'll be able to contend. Would it be different if we had Towns/Wigins instead of D'Angelo and Randle? Towns/Wiggins essentially opens up Minny's window for the next 10-15 years. Does Minny trade for Paul George or do they keep their young core. Which one and why?
The Wolves have better players. If we were in the Wolves position, I wouldn't trade Wiggins, Towns, or LeVine. No way. I'd build through free agency.
If I was Minnesota I'd trade Wiggins and Lavine, but not Towns because he has a chance to be a great, dominant big man. He's so much further ahead of everyone in the draft. There is still time for guys like Russell and Porzingis to catch up, but they have a long way to go. I think Russ could catch up in 2-3 years, but the Lakers don't wanna wait that long for him to become a franchise player. If they can get one for him now they will. As long as the player is a legit franchise player I'm fine with it.