Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. trodgers

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    I don't think the Mozgov DEAL is an A. It's probably a C or so. Time will tell on it, but the player - that's probably a high B. He fits us perfectly.
     
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    I don't like the Mozgov signing at all and even I would rather have him at twice the price of Ezeli. At least Mozgov has shown he can be a starter before multiple times. And you came compare Huertas and Calderon. Huertas is a 2nd year NBA player, Calderon is a long time vet and started in many places. I believe Calderon is taller, and he shoots way better no question. This is just one example of his offensive versatility last season, as a backup he's absolutely better than Huertas

     
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    Where's the Zubacca gif? Didn't you make one, @sirronstuff ?
     
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    Because he's better than Huertas by a large margin, comes with two future picks, is expiring after this season which frees cap space, and is a great veteran to have around our younger players. That move was an absolute A+ from Mitch.
    @abeer3 and @trodgers tackled that one already but the cliffnotes version: because Mozgov is better, a better fit, and obviously there's something to be afraid of with Ezeli besides just his awful play in the playoffs (i.e. his knees).
    The only way to grade them this poorly is if you look at this off-season through the prism of "we could have had Whiteside!" which wasn't going to happen. Because that didn't happen, the Lakers filled their roster with veterans to help support their most important acquisitions of the last three years: Randle, Russell, Ingram, and Clarkson. This FA period, while not what Laker fans had hoped, was exactly what the Lakers had planned. Fill in the roster with veterans who fit and can help create a positive culture of competitiveness and winning. Every move they've made so far supports that. No we aren't title contenders, but this is a logical step forward in a rebuild. The FO gets a B so far for me. If Deng's and Mozgov's deals were a little friendlier for the future, they'd get an A.
    That would upset me too actually. I like Bass and I have no idea why the Gooden rumor happened.
    We're going to win near 30 wins this season which is near double what it was last season. This team is built much like the Wolves of last year who won 29 games. I have no reason to believe we shouldn't be in that same realm. Yes that means we're likely to not be great, but were we ever likely to be great overnight?
    I disagree. ;)
     
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    Calderon has been in the NBA for a reason. He's a pro.

    Huertas was insurance in case we didn't get another backup PG, but he's nothing more than a 3rd stringer, which is perfectly fine for his capabilities.

    Ezeli was RESTRICTED. You would be stupid if you tie your money to a player early on and lose out on other players. The fact that no one made an offer for him AND that GS didn't extend a qualifying offer shows his value already.

    Time was of the essence and we needed to get players for the system. We weren't going to wait for Durant to make up his mind and lose out on all everyone else.

    Also take into consideration our teams current status, rebuild with young talent. How many times must it be explained that its pretty rare you get a top tier free agent to sign into that. Look at Philadelphia, all they got was Gerald Henderson and some Euro league guy.

    Given our situation, we're miles ahead of progression than the Sixers are.
     
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    Bold = Taken.
    Updates: Crabbe, Speights

    SMALL FORWARD
    Kevin Durant +16 MAX 2 years, 54.5M
    Luol Deng 5 MAX (4/72)
    Chandler Parsons 4 MAX (4/94)
    Harrison Barnes 0 MAX (4/94)

    Gerald Green -7 (Knicks reportedly interested - they'd have an interesting team)
    Kent Bazemore -8 (4/70)
    Solomon Hill -9 (4/48)
    NICK YOUNG -14
    ANTHONY BROWN -17


    GUARD
    DeMar Derozan +1 MAX 5/145
    Courtney Lee -4 (4/50)
    LOU WILLIAMS -4
    Gerald Henderson -5 (2/18)
    *Tyler Johnson -7 (4/50)
    JORDAN CLARKSON -7 (4/50)

    Sasha Vujacic -8
    Arron Afflalo -8 (2/25)
    *Allen Crabbe -9 (4/75

    Jabari Brown -10
    Jerryd Bayless -10 (3/27)
    E'Twuan Moore -12 (He intrigues me) (4/34)

    *Isaiah Canaan -13
    *Dion Waiters -14 (Back with OKC?)
    *Ian Clark -15 (1/? Warriors)
    Donald Sloan -16
    Markel Brown -18 (Some talks fell through; no longer restricted)

    POINT GUARD
    Mike Conley +6 5/153
    (? Deron Williams) 1/10
    Brian Roberts -9 (Vet Min)
    ? Ramon Sessions ?
    *Langston Galloway -11 (?signing with Pelicans)
    DA RUSSELL -12

    Shane Larkin -14
    *Tim Frazier -14 (He really intrigues me) (Knicks interested)
    MARCELO HUERTAS -15
    Ray McCallum -19

    TOP TIER (MAX Players?)
    Hassan Whiteside +12 (4/98)
    Pau Gasol +11 (2/30)
    Al Horford +10 (4/113)


    SECOND TIER (~17.5M)
    David Lee +6 (In talks with GS)
    Al Jefferson +5
    Zaza Pachulia +4 (1/2.5?)


    THIRD TIER (~15M)
    Nene +1 (1, 2.9m)
    Amare Stoudemire 0
    Ian Mahinmi 0 (4/64)
    Jordan Hill 0

    MIDDLE OF THE PACK (~12.5M)
    Marreese Speights -1 (Vet Min)
    Cole Aldrich -1
    Timofey Mozgov -2 (4/64)
    Festus Ezeli -2 (2/14)


    Downward Slope (~10M)
    Joakim Noah -3 (4/72)
    ROY HIBBERT -3 (1/5)
    Bismack Biyombo -3 (4/72)


    Steep Descent (~7.5M)
    *Meyers Leonard -5
    ROBERT SACRE -6
    Willie Reed -6
    JJ Hickson -6

    Bench Players (~5M)
    Jason Thompson -7
    Jason Smith -7 (3/16M)
    *Motiejunas -7 (I think Houston tendered QO to him)
    TARIK BLACK -7 (2/12.5)
     
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    He keeps some of them in his own private stash making us go back in previous posts to find them. See above.

    :Shaqwink:

    BTW, not sure what sirron means with the changes coming. With the Leftyeyebrow site, it's big and expansive with the categories, and they are all visible to easily pick from to suit your fancy. But a couple times now after backing out of the Boron section I got redirected to I guess the Laker gifs site that didn't seem like that at all. More like Giphy where you have to search on a name or other term first before you can find what you "need". I hope I'm wrong.
     
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    Sign FA center - Mozgov
    Grade: B-/C+

    Sign FA wing - Deng
    Grade: A+

    Sign backup PG - trade for Calderon
    Grade: A+

    Sign back our players for reasonable contracts - Clarkson, Black, Huertas
    Grade: A

    Overall Grade: A-
     
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    Hmm, what about Amar'e Stoudemire for 3rd string PF? He has a jumper right? He's gotta be cheap at this point.
     
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    He on da list.
     
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    haha, c'mon bro. Really?
     
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    Yeah I'd completely forgotten about him before you posted that, wondered about thoughts on him. I don't know how much he's got left or if he's a good teammate, but Deng would, they'd just have to ask him.
     
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    brink in Sanders 1st, dont think we need Amare, Randle/Nance should get all the burn at PF, Amare at C is a disaster even if he can hit the occasional jump shot, he'll give up twice as many points as he'll score.
     
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    I wanted Deng more than any other wing. I've been on record saying that. So that's an easy A+

    The Calderon trade was brilliant. Mitch acted fast and snatched him up before the Nets could react. A good player that fits in great. Gives us a $8 mil expiring contract which is huge. Again, easily A+
     
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    Better teammate than player at this stage I think. Amar'e doesn't have a lot of burn left in those old legs of his. I'd rather bring Bass back.
     
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    I don't know if he's a good teammate, and that's probably question #1 for me. I think a lot of guys who have played with him really like him (like Nash, if I'm remembering correctly). He has some game left, but there's not much by way of D. Shot 57% and scored 14 PP36.
     
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    Grades should be based off how their talents will benefit the team on the court. Not how Mitch got or signed them. Deng is the best signing of the bunch. However, 4 years guaranteed at 72 mil is a huge risk. B- on that one tops. Every other signing is C or below.
     
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    Wait you just said grades should be based off their talent and how it will benefit the team on the court and not how Mitch got or signed them. Then you graded the move on how Mitch signed him. :D

    If it's about fit on the court, Deng is absolutely an A.
     
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    B- is on the court. Contract is at the risk of not having money for star free agents but that is for some other time.
     

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