Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

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    I'll take that bet. Mozgov's expectations are almost nothing. If he can better than Hibbert, he's met most people's expectations. If he can be an NBA player, he's met a lot of people's expectations. There are almost no lofty expectations for Mozgov. I'll take the bet that everyone is either resigned to him being average or pleasantly surprised by how average he is.
     
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    thats fine but think for moment on what you just typed....mgmt. gave someone 16mill/yr to expect AVERAGE....
     
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    If we sign D-Wade....I think that opens the door for Westbrook. DAR and Ingram for Westbreezy?

    Westbrook
    Wade
    Deng
    Randle
    Mozgov

    bench:
    Nance
    Clarkson
    Lou
    Black

    Solid 9-man rotation...probably a 6-8 seed in the West. I would probably do it and then let Westbrook go NUTS against the Warriors in the first round.
     
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    Dude is dancing in the sand doing drills some beach in FL. He says the knee is 100% was reported here yesterday.

    Do you really look at a 7'1" bruiser of an athlete with very polished, specific skills and soft hands, if he's healthy, in the early latter years of his prime (see 13-16 months ago Youtube clips Part 1 and Part 2 specifically) ......that both Walton and Shaw wanted very much ..... to just be a stiff in a couple of years? In a couple of years he's a very good backup that can handle big minutes when Zubacca, our 2nd coming of Marc Gasol takes the starting position away. Boom Boom for BIG small ball.

    I hope with Zubac. GS is not going to enjoy our 5 rotation. Whatever else takes place.
     
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    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

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    I have been up front on that opinion since day one and guess what? We were going to have to pay for that anyway. We couldn't even get a meeting with better FAs. Now if you want to lament because of the state we were in that lead us to this spot, I'm in full agreement. That move though was a smart move given our position and the right move given our position. We were going to overpay for average at some point. We ended up getting a guy that's a vet with winning experience and some skills that fit our youngsters to boot. Could be worse.
     
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    why are people so eager to destroy the future AGAIN with these russell/ingram for westbrook trade? We're not beating the Warriors for the next 3+yrs....my goodness people sure do love to mortgage the future for some minor 6-8th seed for a few years
     
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    With all due respect, I'll pass. Trading the last two #2 picks (one of whom hasn't even suited up in SL yet) isn't prudent.

    I get that fans are getting anxious in not being in the playoffs and title scene, but patience is key right now.

    I know anything can happen (I don't necessarily agree with the league wide hand wringing over this new GS team, I would be willing to bet they don't break 73-9 this season) but I will play the odds and go with the further alon timetable for success. Basically, I'd be happy hunkering down in the bomb shelter and waiting out the post Warriors nuclear fallout.
     
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    Lakers need to bring in a back up point for cheap or just sign Huertas. Lakers can not use anymore cap space now that Westbrook will be available next summer.

    Getting a little ahead of myself but hell, its a message board, we can think about stuff and type it. Lakers next two off-season, 2017 and 2018 are probably going to be the most critical on whether they will have a shot at competing with the mega powers in the bay area.

    Cleveland has a nice run in them for the next few years but the Warriors could run the table for the next 5-7 years. My mind can not wrap around waiting 7 more years to win another title so the Lakers are going to have to develop their studs and also acquire superstars. So with that, 2017 is the off season of Westbrook. 2018 will be the off season of Paul George.

    Lakers in my mind, will have to use GS as the barometer on how they will compete for a title. This is the Lakers we are talking about. We are one title away from typing the all time record. Lakers want to win titles not just go to the playoffs. In order for the Lakers to compete with GS in a few years, they will have to get the two biggest free agents in the game the next two years while keeping their young core. It is the only way they can have a shot at WINNING A TITLE within a reasonable timetable(basically the next 2-3 years).

    Starting lineup in 2018-19 season:

    Westbrook
    Russell
    George
    Ingram
    Zubacca? haha(Lakers would probably have to amnesty or trade Mosgov if they have a shot at George)

    That team would be able to compete with GS. Unfortunately, any other way would make the degree of difficulty higher.
     
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    Only health can derail the Warriors. If everyone is healthy next year, til the end, no one is beating the Warriors. Not even Lebron and the Lebronaliers.
     
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    Yeah even when I proposed a trade for Russell I said no way to an Ingram AND Russell deal. Nope nope nope nope. The best they're getting is ONE of Ingram or Russell (probably Russell) and Randle. That's it and that's already a lot. I think it's a fair deal for both sides, but I'm sure OKC can get a deal they like more.
     
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    That better be a sign and trade too. I'm not doing a Westbrook rental for no reason.
     
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    @OX1947

    I don't think we necessarily have to wait 7 years for GS. Remember when we all thought the Heat Big 3 was going to be around for the next decade? They went 2-2 in 4 seasons and poof! gone. Eventually paying everyone (KD and Curry both next season) will catch up. Just wait out, lay in the shadows learning your craft, strike when they are weakest (which may coincide with SAS being down after mass exodus and possibly Cleveland as well).
     
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    I'd rather lock-up our cap space with Wade right now, and go to the playoffs for the next 3 years getting the young kinds valuable experience and development, than miss out on that just for a CHANCE at Westbrook.

    I wouldn't consider trading any of our young players right now until we get a good look at what they can do under Luke. I guess there's a chance that they underwhelm and now suddenly they don't have the value to fetch Westbrook, but that's a chance I'd take.

    Realistically, Wade's not coming here this year. Westbrook isn't coming next year. Sign Crabbe and hope he can grow with the young guys, sign a back-up PG (even if it's just Huertas), and call it a day.
     
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    Man....we love to overrate our own players don't we? Russell is NOT going to be a superstar PG. Randle will NOT be a superstar PF. Ingram is the ONLY guy that I believe can be a superstar....and the Thunder will listen if we START with a package around Ingram. I would LOVE to be wrong about Russell and Randle...but I just do not see these guys as superstars like most of you do.

    I don't care what ppl say....if you have a shot at WESTBROOK, you get him. Do you really want the fricking C BAGS to get him? Cuz they will if we don't.
     
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    True, however the GS team has 4 the Big 4 and they are all young. Wade had considerable wear and tear towards the end and Bosh as you can see has had major health issues. I am not saying that couldn't happen to anyone, but if it doesn't, this is not a 4 year run. This is a long time run. This team is team oriented and you have already seen how unselfish they are. Plus Durant fits that team like a glove.
     
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    D'Angelo will be a star. Randle will be very good.

    As far as Westbrook, he is a different breed folks. We use cliches and hyperbole to describle so many but Westbrook is a different cat. This guy runs with his own thoughts. Not Presti, not West, not anyone is going to veer him off of what he wants to do. Regardless if OKC trades him or not, doesn't matter. I believe Westbrook is going into free agency in 2017, whether he is a Thunder, or another team. Lakers can not trade their youth and possible stars.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised one bit if we gave OKC Dlo/Ingram that they would built a better LONGER lasting good-great team even if we manage to resign Westbrook.
     
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    Moe Harkless is someone I'm still interested in even though we signed Deng. I'm not sure where he'd fit though. At this point we're filling up on wings and bigs. We really need one more guard body. Sessions is going back to Charlotte. There's still some interesting names out there though: Frazier, Larkin, Galloway, Roberts, McCallum, Canaan, Vujacic, Jabari Brown. I like Huertas, but I'm not sure how comfortable I am with him as our primary 2nd string PG.

    Russell/___/Huertas
    Clarkson/Williams
    Deng/Ingram/Brown
    Randle/Nance Jr.
    Mozgov/Black/Zubac

    I'm already assuming Young gets stretched. I like Crabbe and Harkless a lot, but do they fit well for the money we're going to have to give them? Galloway or Frazier on a 1+1 might be a better idea.
     
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    and what makes you so sure Westbrook stays once he's traded here? A core of nance, jc, and 2 old vets like mozgov and deng is going to impress him?
     
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