Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

Discussion in 'Lakers Discussion' started by LaVarBallsDad, Nov 16, 2015.

  1. Helljumper

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    If that was in response to my post, suggesting we start Black was a very small part of my point. I mentioned that as an absolute worst-case scenario if we failed to get Mozgov on a better deal, find a suitable center in a trade, or sign another free agent center with higher upside on a better value deal.

    My main point being ... I'm pretty sure we could've got Mozgov on a better deal, found a suitable center in a trade, or signed another free agent center with higher upside on a better value deal.

    We'll see if that ends up being true or not.

    I agree that Mozgov, when healthy, is much better as a starting center than Tarik due to his size and defensive presence. Tarik seems to fit better offensively though. Neither he nor Mozgov are good passers, but Tarik's greater quickness and athleticism seems to give him an edge in an offense that will be more predicated on pick-and-roll rather than using Mozgov's size in a slowed down low-post offense. Obviously, we're terrible at defense so overall the edge goes to Mozgov. But if he's not fully healthy and he starts slowing us down forcing Luke to play small and start Tarik in the middle of the season, I'm going to be really sad seeing Mozgov get $16 million to put up 4 and 4 off the bench.
     
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    Mozgov is definitely a better player than Kaman. C'mon now Kaman never would've had the impact Mozgov did for the Cavaliers last season. Nobody is leaving in denial. I think a lot of people are having knee jerk reactions. I certainly was one of them.

    The guy is a solid player when healthy. He wasn't healthy last season. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that. Health can derail any players season. He's been a solid player everywhere he's been. He's got a better body of work than someone like Biyumbo and even the Cavs hadn't screwed him he may have gotten even more considering Bazemore is asking for 20 million.
     
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    I was going to write to @Helljumper but I'll address both ya'll here instead:

    I can't speak for everyone but I am NOT justifying the move as a great play. I'm truly not. This was a very, very average move. This was settling which is what happens when you win 17 games. Obviously we all wanted bigger names but when it became clear we weren't getting those guys, this really is a decent backup plan. I always thought (and still do think) Mozgov is a better backup than a starter, but for 25 minutes a game this is a B- signing. I don't think it deserves all the insane negativity I've seen. Did we want more? YES of course! But when it became clear we weren't getting those guys, this is a decent move. It's only been a few hours but I hope you guys can step back see this from a more optimistic view soon. This isn't the worst thing that's ever happened and it's not even going to be in the same stratosphere as some of the horrible contracts we're likely to see.
     
  4. Helljumper

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    Don't worry Weezy, I was at the point you're at right now last night.

    I was in denial and honestly didn't believe the initial reports. Thought maybe Mozgov's agent was using us for leverage.

    When Woj confirmed it, I got super angry. WTF was Mitch thinking?!

    Then I started bargaining, hoping (jokingly) that maybe this was the guy Durant wanted to team up with or that it meant we had Batum locked up.

    When that clearly wasn't happening, I fell into a micro-depression and went to sleep.

    Now that I woke up, I'm feeling a little better about it and I've begun to accept it. We needed a starting center and this doesn't affect our other free agency plans.

    Wait a second...

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    This doesn't make us better, real, this is Chris Kaman, this is Carlos Boozer, this is Roy Hibbert. It doesn't make us better, it takes us not a step forward. That's why I don't like it, it does nothing to build for the future, it's just a signing to put a body in the C spot because we needed one the same as guys listed above. This is going with option W or X on night one with Y being Tyler Zeller and Z being just throwing Zubac out there immediately.
     
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    For those of you content with Mozgov the player but what he's getting payed, what kind of contract would you have considered fair?
     
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    4 year 25million
     
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    2 years 24 million. I bet he would have taken it too.
     
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    Well only consolation is seeing big name fa not sign with dall still even with a better owner, coach and more competitive team lol
     
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    I get that. Unfortunately it became clear when we couldn't even meet with f***ing Whiteside that we weren't getting a game changer. I think this is at worst a solid veteran add which is what we all wanted at the least right? The numbers sound bad on the surface but I am 1000% positive that the contract will look okay at the end of the day.

    I'd have of course preferred Biyombo or Whiteside but there's a very good chance the Lakers reached out and found there was no interest. We can't force guys to sign with us...

    If we're upset because of where we are after the last few years, I'm on board. It's truly sad how far we've fallen due to the last 3-4 years. In a vacuum though this deal really isn't all that bad.
     
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    When your only enjoyment is the bewilderment of other teams, you know your team has become irrelevant. Who cares about Dallas and the C Bags or whomever. The irrelevancy of the Lakers has become Clipper like. If the young guys do not become perennial all-stars, its game over. Lakers are going to be the Knicks of the last 45 years.
     
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    When your only enjoyment is the bewilderment of other teams, you know your team has become irrelevant. Who cares about Dallas and the C Bags or whomever. The irrelevancy of the Lakers has become Clipper like. If the young guys do not become perennial all-stars, its game over. Lakers are going to be the Knicks of the last 45 years.
     
  13. therealdeal

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    It is pretty great. :D

    Everyone craps on the Lakers but the Mavs have had not a lot more luck than us the last few years. The only really big difference has been their coach. Hopefully ours puts us back in the conversation next summer.
     
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    The frustration is paying a 3rd string center, at 12:01, 16.5 a year for the next 3 years. I truly believe Mosgov would have taken 12 million per for the next 2 years had they offered it.
     
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    If Mozgov isn't fully healthy and/or guys like Plumlee, Mahinmi, etc end up going for a similar or cheaper price, than yes, this is a bad deal.
     
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    IF Conley goes back to Mem with Parsons, Dall will we scrambling to over pay someone too soon, hopefully they'll overshadow us with this Mozgov signing hahaha
     
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    I mean... isn't that true for any deal? :D

    It's not like Mahinmi is a much healthier guy.
     
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    We continue to ignore one factor. How do we know any of those guys would have joined the Lakers? It's easy to say we should have spent our money elsewhere, but we don't know who would even truly consider us!
     
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    Conley is almost a lock to go back and he's trying to drag Parsons with him. Dallas is going to have to do something. We'll see what they come up with.
     
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    Hard for me to do on mobile but we've been attached a lot to Mo Harkless this morning. He's an RFA for Portland.

    @trodgers did you do a write up for him?
     

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