Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. LaVarBallsDad

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    Dark horse to me in the Horford running. They have cap space, Harden (like him or not), and a style that fits Horford.
     
    LaVarBallsDad, Jun 30, 2016
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    I don't see Batum coming here either. Ingram is going to be a stud and I doubt he'd want to fight for his minutes.
     
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    Mozgov was second worst in DRPM in the NBA among bigs. He was sandwiched between Hibbert and Okafor. He was, however, in the top 30 the two seasons prior. He'd be a likely step back on D, improvement on O. If we add him, we have to add either one max player and anther decent player or go with multiple (4) decent mid-level signings.
     
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    This is interesting. Jones isn't great, but he's a decent player. Played some small-ball 5 for the Rockets. Not a great shooter, but showed some good potential. Only 24 years old.
     
    therealdeal, Jun 30, 2016
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    Yes. That's part of what I wrote. His bad knees were still pretty damn good last season. This surgery is small compared to the previous one. Awesome shooter. Decent rebounder. Very good passer. Good defender. Has has played in 86% of his career games, 78% over the past two. That's not great, but only four Lakers played in more than >82% of games last season.
     
    trodgers, Jun 30, 2016
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    I don't think Ingram's presence stops Batum from coming here if he wants to. Ingram is still months away from his 19th birthday. Also, the league is moving more toward the 2/3/4 spots being somewhat interchangeable "wings". There would be no shortage of minutes for Batum over the length of that 4-year contract.
     
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    The only thing that would stop Batum from coming here is a full 5 year max offer somewhere better. If we can get one domino to fall I think we'll land another one. The problem is getting lucky enough to convince the first domino. Batum over here may not move the needle enough, but it at least gains us respectability again as a destination. Hopefully MJ balks at the max for Batum and we swoop in offering him the world. That's what it's going to take.

    I also would never worry about his place on the team. He'd probably be our best player right away and would play either wing spot. He'd actually be a pretty good example for Ingram to follow too. The two of them on the wing though? That's a lot of length, good spacing, and ball movement.
     
    therealdeal, Jun 30, 2016
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    I'd rather Black be our backup C than Mozgov. I'll take him for cheap as a 3rd stringer, but he's my plan Q as far as FAs go. He's way too slow.
     
    JSM, Jun 30, 2016
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    I've accepted that in this market, with the FA available, and the fact that we have to meet a certain cap minimum... we are probably going to overpay for at least 1 player this off season.

    I'm no longer worried about who's worth what and more concerned with getting the talent and the right fit for our team. We'll be lucky to snag any two of Whiteside, Barns, Batum, DeRozan, Horford, Parsons, or Bazemore at this point.
     
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    I'm not sure Batum sees it that way from his perspective. He'll pause at Ingram's presence, but it's up to our FO to make him feel comfortable. I'd love Batum though. Probably my #1 choice at the wing position.
     
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    I wouldn't mind it if it's only the two year deal, but I'm not comfortable with a four year max with his injury history. With that type of deal we can at least see how Parsons fares in a one year deal (he'd most certainly opt out) before we have to decide whether we should keep him around long term. I like the guy I really do. He's a very solid player. Good shooter, decent defender, athletic, good locker room guy, versatile can play the 3 and 4. It's just those injuries man. He's gotta prove to me he can at least stay reasonsably healthy.
     
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    If we land any players we don't absolutely hate paying max, this is a massive haul for us.
     
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    What would be "reasonably healthy" though? He's likely to play ~65 games if his career is an indication.
     
    trodgers, Jun 30, 2016
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    No way Horford considers us. Not when he could join any of the top 3 teams in the West or a Boston/Detroit in the East.

    We'll be lucky if we can net Parsons and Whiteside. That's our best case scenario realistic ceiling. And I'm very ok with that. That's a massive win for the franchise. Both are great fits.

    One will require a carefully put together contract with outs because of injury scares. The other will require us signing a babysitter or two to keep him focused. With the position we're in, we aren't going to get our pick of the litter. Nor should we.
    The big plus with Parsons, and I think @abeer3 mentioned it earlier, is he would automatically be our best pitch man going forward. He is extremely popular with all the young players and that's a very valuable asset to have in our corner going into next summer's FA period.
     
    JSM, Jun 30, 2016
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    I think Parsons by far is our most realistic option. Still need to fill that center spot badly though.
     
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    the fact that that stat can be that volatile without any major injury to the player casts doubt on its utility, imo.

    and as i posted a few pages ago: count me in on parsons. dallas is letting him go due to concerns about his knees, but rumblings suggest that's not all. i don't think he fit in well with their culture there. he can play. he's significantly better than bazemore, and he's going to get the max or very near it. why not in la? fits like a glove in a ball movement offense.

    i'm really not sure why everyone wants to throw so much cash at batum and wants to vomit about parsons. just the injuries? because the on-court product really isn't that different.
     
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    Mozgov changed teams, abeer. Injuries aren't the only thing that can change how effective you are.
     
    trodgers, Jun 30, 2016
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    well, sort of my point exactly. if drpm doesn't capture an individual difference that translates across teams, it's pretty useless in determining success after changing teams.
     
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    I don't think he is significantly better than Bazemore at all. Their numbers last season were remarkably similar both on the face and the advanced stats.

    I'll still take him, but I really don't want to pay him the max for four seasons. Max for 2-3 years? Yeah I'm cool with that. We need to convince someone to come here. He and Ingram on the wing is a good start.
     
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