Nick Young Discussion 2014-2015

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  1. SFGOLDRUSHER

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    I just don't wanna feel like we hAve to. I rather wait an extra year for better value and even better long term fit. I'm by no means saying Carroll isn't long term btw but it just depends on value IMO.
     
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    He was on Sports nation. Compared Scott to uncle Phil and tough love, said they're good.

    They played an Iggy or Kobe game. Nick had to guess who the lyrics belonged to. Pretty entertaining, he failed miserably.

    Defender he enjoys scoring on the most: Kobe
    Kobe or Bron: Kobe
    If GM: takes a big at #2
    Bron's secret motivation: Space Jam 2
    Most he spent on a pair of shoes: $4k
     
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    Dude is a clown, but he loves life and loves LA. If he brings it on the court like he did the first year with us, then I don't care how much of a clown he is.

    Hurt, not getting along with coach, AND a clown? Not gonna cut it for me.

    I'm willing to give him another shot though. I still like him despite myself.
     
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    If we are getting rid of him, it needs to be in a salary dump sort of way where we are opening up room for another sf. At 5 million, he is still an OK value. Would not be shocked to see him getting the majority of our minutes at the 3 next year again.
     
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    Yeah I agree. If we move him it's either to move up into the lottery of the draft packaged with our other picks OR its for a bigger, more proven veteran. I don't see us dumping him for nothing.

    That first year he played really well. He got the ball in his spots and was a legit scorer off the bench. He played decent defense. He passed the ball occasionally. I liked that first year a lot.
     
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    We're all entitled to an opinion & I respect yours, I know I seem to always argue with your opinions but it's all in the spirit of good debate.

    I agree 100% with the idea that we HAVE to spend all of our space this summer, there's no point in saving it with an expected cap raise of around 33% giving almost every team cap space + Kobe expiring. I just think spending 13M or even 10M on a guy like Carroll is a mistake for a number of reasons. I've talked about him being a system player & us not having the coach for that, I've talked bout his age, but here are some more reasons:

    I think we all agree that the 2016 goal is Durant. I'm ok with Butler & Middleton because they're just as good at SG & can slide over there as Kobe exits. I'm not a huge Tobias Harris fan but I'd be OK with it because he can play PF. I'm not sure Carroll can play SG, so our biggest FA addition this offseason would be a backup next season if things go as planned.

    That's 1 of many reasons I'm a fan of passing on the higher priced 2nd-3rd tier SF's & filling other holes. We can get 1 of Afflalo or Gerald Green + Dunleavy + KJ McDaniels & probably spend the same amount or even less than we would on Carroll alone. I would also dump Young's contract, & I'm pretty sure there would be plenty of teams interested in him/willing to give up a pick where we could grab another SF, hopefully he'd be packaged with #27/#34/both for a better 1st rounder & a shot at Anderson or Hollis-Jefferson, but even if it's just a dump for a 2nd, I think it's a net positive because we can do better things with Young's 5.2M salary. Then we could make our major FA signing a player that can start next to Durant, like Monta. I think that makes a lot of sense for this season too, because we don't want a guy like Ellington starting if Kobe suffers a season ending injury. In a season where our pick is only top 3 protected, we need to be trying to make the playoffs at any cost to make ourselves appealing for FA's.

    Another point I disagree with you on is Davis. I love Special Ed & would love to keep him, but he's expected to see the same type of $ as Biyombo & I take Bismack over Davis 100 times out of 100. At 22 Bismack is already a superior rebounder & defender, Davis has the advantage on offense but defense is a much bigger need for us assuming Clarkson - Kobe - Randle - Okafor are either starters or playing heavy minutes.

    To use the roster from your other post vs. my suggested signings, you have:

    Carroll
    Davis
    Ellington
    Mo Williams
    Ellington
    + keeping Young

    vs.

    Monta Ellis
    Gerald Green
    Dunleavy
    McDaniels
    Biyombo
    + replacing Young with a Rookie

    Like I said, I'm not trying to shoot your opinion down. I just think this is a better way to build.
     
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    I love how everyone thinks cause the cap jumps up further following after next season we gotta use up whatever we have this summer cause we'll have further relief later. To be mediocre, sure. For a championship? Star,value or if both fail then take on bad contracts for the year.
     
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    No need to worry! This is the best Laker site on the planet with plenty of brilliant minds and they're not always going to agree. A differing opinion isn't an argument right away, it's a discussion. There's a ton of folks still on the Towns train, but that's fine. We can disagree on that.

    Re: Carroll. I see your point, but I also see the alternative. Yes the goal is to get Durant, but if he doesn't end up here then we're left with a worse player instead of the one that makes sense. The only player on your list I'd take maybe instead of Carroll is Danny Green, but he's every bit the system risk that Carroll is and he's expected to make just as much (11-14 million). I'd prefer the better defender which is Carroll. We can slide him around as needed if we're lucky enough to get Durant.

    Re: Davis. I'm really not that high on Biyombo but I pick Davis over him for two big reasons:

    1. Familiarity. He came here willingly under value and embraced our winning culture as much as could be asked.

    2. Veteran. At only 26-27 years old he's got a real veteran attitude. He doesn't take time off. He approaches the game consistently and efficiently. He makes very few mistakes. He'd be a great mix between mentor and peer for the young Centers. Able to relate and grow, but also to provide a professional base.

    I wouldn't be mad at Biyombo we're just getting a little too young in my opinion. We're young with just adding Okafor, let alone another rookie later in the draft, AND adding a young guy or two or three makes us even further away from immediate contention.

    Basically with our young base of Randle, Clarkson, Okafor, and Black I think we've got enough youth. Throw in Kelly and maybe Brown and that's half our team under 25. That's great, but that te isn't competing next year for much. My ideal additions are: Carroll, Mo Williams, and bring back Davis and Ellington. That's a good mix of youth and veterans. That team might fight for the playoffs. Barring that maybe additions of Green, CJ Watson, and maybe a guy like Robin Lopez.

    Somehow I want to add veterans this summer to help push the development of our young guys.
     
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    HERE is the link once again to Mitch's interview after today's moves. I figure it's appropriate to bump this thread because the below quote seems to indicate that Nick is here for the time being and Mitch/Jim/Byron are giving him one last shot to get his butt in line or they'll look in other directions. Signing Anthony Brown to a 3 year deal is already quite telling of what the Lakers are thinking moving forward.

    What do ya'll think?
     
    therealdeal, Jul 9, 2015
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    Class thing to say by Kupchak even if he's lying and a deal is in place to trade him. :)
     
    sirronstuff, Jul 9, 2015
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    I love Mitch, but I disagree. Nevertheless, I just don't see it with Nick. He had a video the other day on his twitter; he was practicing his 1, 2, dribble pull up jumpers; he was being recorded on camera which he knew...he proceeded to hit 1 or 2 jumpers in a row. Then he stares directly into the camera and says, 'I look good don't I?' That's Nick in a nutshell.

    He cares about looking good, saying he plays for the Lakers, and being a celebrity in Los Angeles. That's it. That's been Nick his whole career. It's not changing anytime soon. Core player? Nope. Likely to be traded? Yes.
     
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    I actually disagree that he only cares about looking good. I think that's probably his MAIN concern, but not too long ago Kobe had him convinced that people will pay attention when he's a winner. The season he came here for the minimum, he was a different player. He was flashy and silly at times, sure, but he was also taking charges and working hard defensively. I think we forget quickly that he was a very good role player and a legitimate 6th man only a short time ago.

    I wouldn't be upset if we moved on from him, but I'm willing to give him another shot. If not for his sake than for the sake of our roster. Frankly we need the depth. And when the cap increased, there was no need to just dump him at his lowest value.
     
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    Disagree. 1 to 2 charges during a 5-6 game span isn't going to cut it for me. Playing above average defense for 4-5 games in a row doesn't cut it for me. At the end of the day, there's no consistency with him. He'll care about it for awhile; then he'll revert back too, 'do I look good?' It's how he's wired.
     
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    I think Mitch threw down the gauntlet.

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    Code for we can't trade him?

    Young is, and always has been a clown. I've had season tickets to the Wizullets for a long time (love the Lakers but live in DC now) and watched him first hand. He's always been able to score but he seems to think that is all there is to the game. He's not an instinctive player other than in finding ways to get the ball on the rim.

    He's an asset to a team that needs scoring off the bench. With Williams we have that covered. He's expendable.
     
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    I agree, however now's the time for patience, lets see what we got and dangle him out there as the season progresses. As teams suffer injuries his value may go up, or better yet he gets his act together, not his Hollywood act, his Basketball act!
     
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    I'm not disagreeing. Nick needs to mature. I'm simply saying that when he's properly motivated he's a useful player. He is definitely expendable and I wouldn't feel too bad if we move him, but without a proven veteran to back him up we have very few options.
     
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    I'm fine with keeping Swaggy. I like the guy, I can't help it. I do think however, with the Lou signing that Swaggy's days are numbered. Lou's better as a sixth man than Swaggy is, as evidenced by his award. Both can get red hot, but Lou's a little more consistent and focused. But Swaggy is cool . . . we'll see, he may get traded at the deadline, or maybe he'll prove himself once again.
     
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    I don't like Swaggy at all, especially with Williams here, but we really don't have a choice. I hope we can trade him for another wing.
     
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    The real question is.... Will Iggy leave him if he's not playing for the Lakers? That happened to Sasha and Sharapova.
    :giggle:
     
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