Mitch Kupchak gives update on the state of the Lakers, D'Angelo Russell, Kobe Bryant and more

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  1. 432J

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    1. the nash move had to be made after the cp3 debacle. was it a good move? hell no. but it had to be done considering we had no PG

    2. the lamar move also had to be done. have you forgotten that he wanted to be traded after the cp3 deal fell apart? if you remember, he was part of the trade going to new orleans and felt "disrespected" once it fell through, demanding a trade soon after

    3. the best we could've gotten for pau was rondo. aside from that, none of the offers were worth trading him for. and can you really blame mitch for holding off on rondo?

    4. Williams is an upgrade over Lin, Davis and Bazemore have talent but in all honesty, what difference would those two have made on this team? there are so many other davis's and bazemore's out there

    jim buss is the real problem with his coaching hires. if he's involved in another hire that's it for this team
     
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    Watching Laker games this year:

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  4. ElginTheGreat

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    Agreed. This sends a clear message to the front office of what the fans think of the product.
     
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    Honestly the best thing that can happen to this mess of a season is the terrible ratings. That will get TWC nervous and in turn the FO's seats get a little warmer.
     
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    i'd like to help the downward trend to show my displeasure but im an addict to train wrecks...the only time i change the channel is when i cant take Stu ranting but even then, i just mute the tv
     
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    I've been hoping my Ballstreams streaming service doesn't contribute to ratings, but what this shows is that there's about 25% hardcore fans, and rest enjoy watching well played winning basketball.

    That hasn't been going on, so of course they aren't tuning in. It's the hardcore fans that are selling out arenas across the country, because it sure ain't pretty to watch.
     
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    talk about TWC missing the ship...imagine if they had this during the Kobe-LO-Pau days? they would be killing it ...instead, they're showing Robert Sacre eating turkey on thanksgiving
     
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    I thought I remember reading somewhere that the TW Deal's annual payment to the Lakers was NOT set in stone, and it could change based on the ratings not meeting a certain number? Can anyone actually verify if that is true?
     
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    This might be the only way the Lakers FO gets lit up....the fact that the CLIPPERS are closing in on us in the ratings department in KOBE'S FAREWELL SEASON says that when Kobe retires, the Lakers are going to officially take a back seat to the Clippers in the ratings department. That would be an all time low for this franchise.
     
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    I find the narrative silly by the way.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm happy the ratings are so low. Including the Clippers though as some sort of menacing monster coming for the Lakers' ratings...

    The Clippers have been better than us for 3 years straight, they're by far the best team they've ever been... We are at our lowest low in franchise history. We're about to have three straight seasons missing the playoffs and win maybe 20 games this year...

    AND WE'RE STILL BEATING THEM.

    They're never going to catch us in the ratings. The WORST period in the history of the Lakers and we're STILL beating them in the ratings. Ballmer should take the hint and move to Seattle.
     
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    Possibly
     
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    I ask again how do idiots like Stephen A have a job? The guy is an absolute joke. There's nothing else besides Kobe really? Are you f***ing stupid? How can you sit there with a straight face and say there is nothing else. How about developing your three future core pieces? Jordan Clarkson a guy who was an All Rookie last season. Randle and Russell your two lottery picks who have both shown flashes of brilliance when they've actually gotten the minutes. Why is Russel on the team instead of Okafor? Because he's a better player that's why. What has Okafor done except put up stats on what's probably gonna be the worst team in NBA history to warrant being the #2 pick? Of course he has better numbers than Russell he should be. He's played more minutes and a higher usage. Russell isn't even a top five option on the team right now. You want it say more? You're not gonna see more because he's not playing enough.
     
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    Talking heads on ESPN like Stephen A, or Skip, or Wilbon, whoever else, don't actually watch the Lakers, especially not like we do. They see a couple nationally televised games, see us get beat badly, our youngsters struggle, but don't realize a lot of it is because of B0ron and his lineups, and make sweeping conclusions. They don't watch so they don't know just how bad Kobe's early struggles and play was. They don't watch so they don't know how bad of a coach B0ron is, with lineups, and communicating, and systems on both ends. They say stupid things like they support his tough coaching style and that the youth have to earn the start, without watching and knowing the details and circumstances and why statements like that are dumb and B0ron's style is outdated. Don't even bother looking to people like that for anything other than a quick surface opinion. Hell, even some Laker writers who watch the team every day have said stupid things, like Pincus.
     
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    What's most funny is Stephen A is always talking about how we've failed to surround Kobe with adequate talent, but the contract extension is a big part of that. That's an insane amount of money for a guy coming off that Achilles tear. Dude is taking up like half the cap basically.
     
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    Well, they have failed to surround him with championship level talent for 3 years, but that's just how it goes in the NBA. We didn't have that level of talent for years in the 90's either, you can't pull it from nowhere. Players have to want to come here and you have to have assets to trade. You don't get great picks to trade when you're winning titles like we were in '09/'10, but they still turned around and made a trade for Chris Paul. Not their fault the NBA screwed them on that. Then they traded a broken Bynum for Dwight and for Nash. We have had talent, but things didn't work out as planned.

    I haven't liked our plan or swinging for the fences only the past few years either, but I also don't have proof that we didn't go after all the 2nd tier guys too, and that they didn't want to come here either. With what money and assets the FO has had to work with I think Mitch has put together way better rosters than we should have had. We have sucked, but we haven't been like Sixers level of suck, we still got guys like Young, Davis, Lin, Hibbert, Lou Williams, Bass, Boozer, Kaman, and others for prices and trades you would never expect. Our drafts have also been great with Clarkson, Randle, Russell, and Nance. Even Kelly was a solid pick.
     
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    The problem is, I can bet that this is Jim Buss's exact argument. It's what he throws back at everyone in the organization who brings up the team's current state. And the fact is if this situation were to continue, which it almost can't but for the sake of argument let's say they keep Scott, no major FAs want to come here, a few more years of losing seasons and the Clips will indeed catch us. They are close now. We dropped 23% in ratings since last year even with the Kobe farewell tour. The TWC deal isn't looking so hot for TWC atm. With the marketing smarts and money of Ballmar they can take advantage especially if they win a championship while we are still making moves like a fledgling newbie organization.

    Rant aside, my gut says it won't happen and that hopefully Jim isn't the Jonah he's appeared to be. The league & the CP3 deal, the anti-Laker CBA, Kobe's presence and massive severance contract that scared off FAs, as well as the injuries to Nash and Kobe kicked the crap out of us but the good thing is we got high draft picks and probably made some good choices as well.

    But the excuses have run their course after this year as far as I'm concerned. Mitch and Scott's obvious low priorities on the youth are highly disturbing.
     
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    No one but Kobe is putting butts in seats (except for Byron with rookies).
     
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    I get the current dump Mitch sentiment. Comes with the territory. But what exactly are you seeing as Mitch's "obvious low priority on the youth"? Is it his comment on this being a Kobe year? I don't hear that as Mitch saying I don't care about the youth on the team.

    He drafted our core of four and gave them roster spots. He has kept Black, Kelly, Sacre and Brown when he could have dumped them for low cost vets. That's eight very young players on the roster.

    There is no question Byron has made his perspective on young players known, but I don't think he speaks for Mitch in that regard. Mitch would be a fool to disregard the young core, and I don't see him as a fool.
     
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    I don't disagree at all that it's what the Lakers are falling back on. I think that's 1000% true. The Lakers don't HAVE to care about what the product on the floor is, they're making money hand over fist. They can say they care, but their product proves different.

    I'm just saying the only thing standing in the way of the Lakers' ratings is the Lakers. The Clippers have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they will never do better than us in this market. They are not a threat to the Lakers' dynasty. The Lakers are a threat to the Lakers dynasty.
     
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