Lonzo Ball Discussion: Bulls

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  1. ZenMaster

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    How? I mean, how? WTH?
     
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    Bad time to note that fultz shoots better at the ft line than lonzo?
     
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    I know I'm a scumbag, but you're right. And from the field.

    I'm looking at this situation like this: Fultz actually has ridiculous talent. The fact that he can even continue to get out onto the floor with shooting "mechanics" like that speaks to his upside (and probably a bit to the sunk cost fallacy, too). Ball and Fultz have similar stats this season, and they have similar per36 numbers in their careers (14-6-6 vs. 11-7-7). They have similar ORtg/DRtg stats (99/108 vs. 100/107), similar PERs (11.8 vs 12.6), too.

    Fultz is sort of like a smaller Simmons, but clearly one of them has a strong mental game.
     
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    If you're talking last year's FT performances between the two, you would be correct. But this year (granted the sample size is smaller) Zo's shooting better from the line than Fultz is (8/13 vs 21/37).

    It could be in between the ears for both of them, but Zo is a conventional point guard looking to set people up rather than look for his own shot. Yet he's still willing to take the 3ball (63 attempts) and being that his shot is mainly a mechanical issue, he can continue to tweak it till he gets better results.

    Meanwhile Fultz is more of a combo guard looking to score. Yet he has hesitancy to take shots (13 total 3balls and 147 shot attempts in 401 total minutes worth of court time in 17 games vs Zo's 110 shot attempts in 366 total minutes worth of court time in 14 games, with the first few being on a minutes restriction) and can't make shots (shooting only 1% point better than Zo is, while Zo takes more difficult shots with his affinity of the 3ball).

    Okay, so he's barely a better shooter than Zo...YIPpy-freaking-do.

    Get this man a shrink before he shrinks under the pressure. Abeer, your services are needed cause dude's process bar is never going to get fulltz.
     
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    If you could fix these dudes, you’d make tons. Btw, shouldn’t they both be shooting under hand? Shouldn’t every sub 75 shooter be going underhand?
     
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    They should. But "it's embarrassing". Just like it was embarrassing for the Big Diesel.
     
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    Clearly too cool for school...

    But being 1&done players, I would think these guys would look to Kobe...instead, they looking to a dude that went to school for 3 years.

     
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    This guy is a ROLE player, there's nothing that screams "star" .....not that I'd complain bout a really good role player but magic you got fooled
     
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    Scoring ZERO points in 28 minutes of basketball is inexcusable. Hope his ceiling isn’t Ricky Rubio, but nights like tonight make me question it.
     
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    no need to question, its happening, his non aggressive nature on O along with having James here is for sure gona force him that route
     
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    I'll take Rubio right now lol, Zo is a disappointing no. 2 pick, a scrub, who looks that he should have been picked in the late 20s.
     
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    So much for stepping up with Rondo out.
     
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    Didn’t play him 48 min. That’s on Luke!

    :Lavartalking:
     
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    The maddening thing is that he has regressed compared to his injury riddled rookie season where he at least had legit excuses. His supposedly only improvement was the shooting percentage which is also regressing lately.

    Don't know how to solve this issue.
     
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    Not sure if all of you watched the game, but our problem was defense. We gave up 130 pts to a scrub team while making Vucevic look like Shaq. This loss is on our two 7 footers and Kuzma who played poor on both ends. Lonzo was stellar on defense. He had very few opportunities on offense and moved the ball well. 117 pts should be enough to win. Scoring was the least of our problems. 0 pts by Lonzo is totally overblown.
     
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    I hope at least other teams still see some value in him so we can ship him out for something bigger in a package
     
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    I watched the game as well, and I agree with most of your assessment. His help defense was good, but he and all the guards had a hard time leveling off dribble penetration to freaking DJ Augustin. It’s absolutely inexcusable for Lonzo to be outplayed by that guy. 0-5 from the field is pretty bad too.
     
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    I'm not denying that he should be a bit more assertive, but honestly I'd rather see him score 0 pts than him score 15 and have 0 ast, 0 reb, 0 stl and 0 blk. He made his presence felt all over the court.

    As for Augustin, I felt he had it going mostly due to our horrible pick and roll coverage. Some of the blame goes to our guards and wings, but our 7 footers were lazy and slow-footed, allowing their players to penetrate and score at will in the paint.
     

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