Kobe Bryant Discussion: Mamba Out!

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  1. trodgers

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    Then I read about Russell Westbrook, just to see something.
    Westbrook's Usage Rating: 47.4
     
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    Yeah... but but but Russel Westbrook is a pointguard. Or something.
     
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    It is pretty entertaining how they really want to diminish Kobe at all cost. I was listening to one game (cant remember the team) and heard all about how the team had so many injuries last year. Then some how the Lakers come up and all you hear is "they are bad." They don't need to make excuses for LA but man the bias nature of them is amazing. The only way Kobe gets love is if he does something otherwordly times 2.
     
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    Westbrook on a bad team: hero.

    Kobe on a bad team: why doesn't he just leave already dammit!
     
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    One last championship run where Kobe can shut up all the haters would be awesome.
     
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    PHOENIX — The question, much like the brutal experience he endured this week, doesn't faze Kobe Bryant in the least.

    The Los Angeles Lakers star who spent most of the past 18 months dying for these days to come, for that Achilles tendon tear and left knee fracture to get the hell out of the way so he could resume his career, is asked if he can survive in a world where this becomes his new norm. Blowouts every night like the ones against the Houston Rockets (by 18 points) and Phoenix Suns (by 20 points) that started their season. Teammates who have been wearing the purple and gold for what seems like a matter of minutes struggling at every turn. Younger stars on opposing teams getting over on the Hall of Fame-bound champion who has never seemed so far from his dream of winning a sixth title.

    So what kind of state will his famously determined mind be in if this — as seems so likely — is still his reality a few months from now?

    "Go on to the next night," Bryant, 36, told USA TODAY Sports after scoring 31 points against an upstart Suns team that led by as many as 29. "Go to the next night. That's it."

    And therein lies the problem.

    The NBA is an unforgiving playground, where none of the 29 teams that are coming the Lakers' way will feel an ounce of sympathy for all that they've been through in the past couple of seasons. Dwight Howard certainly didn't Tuesday, when he shared the floor with Bryant for the first time since deciding to leave for Houston. Their fourth-quarter scuffle was a dramatic reminder of the bitter divorce in the summer of 2012. Eric Bledsoe didn't on the following night, either, especially after a frustrated Bryant dove so furiously for the ball that was in the Suns point guard's grasps and left him with a bloody lip.

    Yet from here on out — starting with Friday night's Los Angeles face-off against the championship-contending Clippers — it's this Lakers team that has such a ruthless start to its schedule that will be trying to stop the bleeding.

    By the time December rolls around, they will have played a team that had a losing record last season in just four of 17 games. Yet even that is deceiving, as it includes teams like the New Orleans Pelicans (Nov. 12) and Denver Nuggets (Nov. 23) that are expected to be much improved. The prospect of long losing streaks and epic levels of Black Mamba venom, in other words, seem increasingly likely.

    It's fair to wonder how Bryant will handle this unwelcome path that lies ahead, and rest assured that coaches, teammates, and team officials alike are all pondering that very question. In the 17 seasons in which Bryant played the majority of the games, only the 2004-05 Lakers had a losing record (34-48) or missed the postseason. Last season, when Bryant's injuries limited him to just six games, the Lakers' 27-55 record was the worst in franchise history.

    First-year coach Byron Scott, who mentored Bryant in that 1996-97 Lakers season that was his last and Bryant's first, swears he's not worried about his "rookie" just yet.

    "Not really," Scott told USA TODAY Sports after the loss to the Suns, "because I know how tough he is. There's not a whole lot that he can't survive. If he survived last year and the injuries he's had, I think this will be a piece of cake for him. I knew it was going to be tough. I looked at our first month of November, and said it's going to be tough. December is going to be tough. And it's not going to stop. So no, I'm not shell-shocked. I know we've got a lot of work to do. We've just got to keep on playing."

    For Bryant's part, this has to be a conflicting time, with the personal joy of his highly-anticipated return being stolen so soon by this torturous time in which his team — at least early on — seems so incredibly overwhelmed. But Bryant, who joked that those years of training from the "Yodas" of his world such as "Zen Master" Phil Jackson will help him keep his head, swears he's not rattled or surprised.

    "Not even a little bit," he said. "I've seen it all man. I've seen it all before. I'm good. I've been trained very well.

    "Coming back, the beauty was in the process. So the fun part for me, the most fun part, is over. I know where I'm at now. Now it's just everybody's seeing (that he's himself). But the fun part for me is over in terms of the comeback. Now the challenges become turning Jeremy into a championship point guard, a floor general, right? And the rest of the guys having a championship spirit. That's the challenge."

    Even getting losing, Bryant made clear, beats not playing. And now, with season-ending injuries to rookie prospect Julius Randle and future Hall of Fame point guard Steve Nash putting the already-undermanned Lakers even deeper in that hole, he has decided that newly-acquired point guard Jeremy Lin will be the one to help him and the Lakers get out.

    But the idea that Bryant is now helping Lin get to the next level is evidence enough of how quickly things have changed in Laker Land, and not for the better. It was only Feb. 2012 when Linsanity was unfolding for all the world to see and Bryant, whose Lakers faced Lin's New York Knicks three games into that storied run, said when asked about his out-of-nowhere play, "What the (expletive) is going on? Who is this kid?" Now, Lin — who was traded to the Lakers from the Rockets during the summer — will spend these next six months with Bryant just trying to make the season matter.

    "I've been trained really well by the Yodas of the world, and they've always talked about just looking at the game, looking at things you can correct, and then the next day correcting them," Bryant told reporters. "Simple as that. We're not as bad as this first two games. We're not. So it's just about correcting these things."

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ion-clippers-battle-for-los-angeles/18208143/
     
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    My hope is that if Kobe ends up sitting out most of this season, he may get enough rest where he can even after this current contract be one of the main cogs on the new championship team that we will able to build. I really think he'll sign a super cheap deal if he decides to come back after 2016.
     
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    they're as bad as the first two games, but it's good that kobe's not in meltdown mode yet. I wonder whether the author interjected the part about just being glad to play or that was a paraphrase. that would be a good attitude for kobe this year: just be happy you're out there and not in a cast.
     
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    ^They are as bad. I don't think their as bad as that 05-07 rosters and that's just because we had a Prime Kobe.
     
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    ...trending toward 33 wins, but I'll stick with 37 minimum.
     
  11. lakerjones

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    Those two losses were no surprise. Most of us expected to lose vs. Houston opening night and a back to back the next night vs. the Suns was a probably loss as well. Most of us expected that we would win maybe 3 of the first 10, and that was before Randle went down. We have a brutal schedule and a new coach, system and many new players. It's going to take some time to iron this thing out and be competitive on a consistent basis. Without Young, Randle or even Kelley we have lost major fire power. At least we'll get Young back in a month. Who knows what's going on with Kelley?
     
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    I believe him when he says this but we do lack talent on this team. Sure Nick coming back will definitely help with the talent aspect, but these things could be better as far as the roster is concerned. I say this without putting any blame on the FO. They tried like hell to bring guys in. Sure in the process of trying to sway Anthony we might have missed out on other talents: Ariza, Lowry, I. Thomas, but we're still going after bigger fish and I'm okay with that.
     
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    I disagree. The 05-06 team won 47 games and the 06-07 team won 43 games in spite of multiple injuries. Those teams had Odom, who was easily better than anyone on our team not named Kobe by a significant margin. Even Luke is better than most of our roster.

    Also we had Phil.
     
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    Yep. Odom and Phil would make a HUGE difference on this team. Especially with Phil, each person would know his role.
     
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    Some incredible vintage type Kobe moves tonight. The dunk over Matt Barnes was epic! So was the reverse!
     
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    Very good offensive game through three quarters ... I thought he rushed three shots in the 4th ... could have used more CP3 and JJ Redick bodies to get some lift ... the spacing was off the time he got doubled in the post so it may be the reason he rushed his shots
     
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    Well he missed some shots in the 4th he normally makes. But that dunk wow! And also the reverse layup. Where is all that quickness all of the sudden coming from? Very positive sighting on that part. Now I am looking a bit more forward to the game against GSW.
     
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    What I saw tonight was very encouraging. I think he just has to get his game legs back which won't come till around December. He got great looks -- probably just a bit of rust & fatigue caused em to not fall.
     
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    I'm glad to hear he was happy with the effort tonight - you could see it on his face and his demeanor after the game. Didn't matter that much that it was a loss. So all the pundits need to shut up although they won't. It's not the losing that completely grates on him. It's the lack of effort and blowouts that were driving him crazy. And the lack of help. Last night Lin was Lin. He was aggressive as can be. And that's what Kobe's been asking him to do. We played super hard just didn't have enough in the tank for the end and couldn't fight the refs either who jobbed us completely. We're getting better which is progress. But every game is its own little world and I could also see us regressing as early as tonight with a back to back. It's going to be a long hard season. We have a lot of work to do.
     

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