Kevin Love Virtually No Chance Of Return For Playoffs

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  1. thkthebest

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    Well, that sucks for Love.
     
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    I have nothing against KLove (despite not feeling he's a max player or a piece you build around), but I'll be honest: I'm happy this hurts Cleveland's chances.

    They'll regret the day they traded Wiggins.

    Anyway, hope he heals 100%.
     
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    That it does. I was thinking about his situation this morning and put a little thought into it. We were so close with the Dwight situation, so we (fans) got to see up close and personal a person who never truly wanted to be a Laker or desired to be here period. Of course he (Dwight) went through the process of being excited initially then as the season wore on, he complained he wasn't getting enough touches, wasn't setting great screens intentionally, pointing out stat sheets, etc. Then, the end result, Dwight left 30 million dollars on the table and went to Houston.

    Kevin has been WAY more professional but the similarities are there. Kevin was excited initially to join Cleveland; super-team that had a good chance to come out of the East, but as the season progressed, he looked like he didn't want to be there; Lebron tweeting out 'don't FIT-OUT, FIT-IN,' the picture on instagram with Kevin no where in site on the photo. I was reading an ESPN the Magazine, and one exec said, 'their lack of continuity affects their ball movement and defense.' Their not best friends. Not that you need to be, but I think Kevin is going to consider all of his options this summer. Ultimately, he wants to be in a place where he wants to be happy.

    Now, could he opt-in and take 1-more year and give it one more shot with the Cavs? Sure. Nevertheless, I still thin he's definitely in play and we'll take meetings come July...
     
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    He's not a first option. But the litmus test for this upcoming off-season is simple; can Kevin Love be your 3rd best player while making 3rd option money? The finances of the league are going to dictate as much when the television revenue kicks in; I still think he can be your 3rd option (2nd on some nights) in the right situation, and if that's the case, you have a very good team.
     
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    I definitely think he's a strong 2 or 3. I have no problem with that. I think he'll want max money and a team built around him. I hope I'm wrong.
     
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    That's my point, though, John. If you max him out this summer, and the television revenue kicks in, that's 3rd option money; for example, you could still add a Conley/Durant the following year...that's the beauty of it.
     
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    When does the new cap kick in? I don't know a lot about it, but heard the cap could double (sounds crazy to me).
     
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    Jonathan Givony@DraftExpress · 55m55 minutes ago
    New salary cap projections sent out to NBA teams: 2015-16: 67.1 million, tax 81.6, 2016-17: 89 million, tax 108. 2017-18: 108, 127 tax
     
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    Yeah it's within a year. There's buzz that a lot of players will take one-year option contracts this summer to try to make the big bucks next summer when the cap explodes. I don't think it'll go exactly as they all plan, but certainly the Lakers will be willing buyers in the market.

    By the way (again depending on who we draft), I don't think we're going to play for Conley. At that point we'll either have paid Jordan Clarkson or traded him for another asset. At this point I'm inclined to think he's our starting PG (or SG if things switch up a little) for the future.

    If we draft a Guard or a Center, you better believe the entire city of LA is going to bend over backwards for Durant next summer. Draft a big man or a guard, patch up the SF rotation for another year, then next summer back up the trucks of cash, the commercials, the endorsements, the movies, the business ventures, the weather, and the women on Durant's doorstep.
     
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    Sucks for him, but Cleveland is fine. Washington can't be trusted, Chicago can't even finish off Milwuakee, and the top seed Atlanta is even with freakin Brooklyn. They could probably make the finals without Irving in this east. Winning the finals is another story though. Go Warriors/Grizzlies!
     
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    While I still expect the Cavs to end up in the finals, I don't think it'll be that easy. Wizards are built for the playoffs and Pierce is channeling a much younger version of himself for these games. The Bulls can't close out games because of Thibs is being outcoached by Kidd (won't be outcoached by Bron) and Milwaukee's length and able to switch everything whenever they want is playing right to their strengths. The length and wingspan on most of the kids there is unreal. Both Wizards and Bulls would play a physical series against the Cavs, which they would struggle with. Both have the size up front to give them nightmares, especially without Love. Atlanta...I don't know what the f*** is going on here. They took the foot off the gas when they got the seeding locked up and haven't been able to flip the switch. Korver has to find his shot again like yesterday or this is a wrap (no he's not their best player, but the spacing his 3s provide are crucial to their success).
     
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    I heard some good points on I think ESPN this morning though, Noah's knee isn't great, and Cleveland can go small and make him less effective. Also, Mirotic has his knee injury now, Pau never plays defense, their size isn't as big an advantage as it seems IMO. As for Washington, I don't trust them still, not sure what the best analogy is here, but the clock can strike midnight anytime and he can turn back into a pumpkin, or he'll run out of that fountain of youth water at some point. Like I said a month or so into the season, I never trust Toronto, Atlanta, or Washington, they have no real star and when LeBron comes up against them it shows. Toronto proved me right, now we'll see what Washington and Atlanta have.
     
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    Cleveland's still the favorite.

    man, the east sucks.
     
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    All we can ask for the East teams to do is throw punches (not literal) at the Cavs, give them a battle, a tough series. It's much better than seeing them cakewalk all the way to the finals.
     
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    They can't beat GSW. Or Memphis. Or the Spurs.
     
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    Does anyone think Love may give the Knicks a hard look? Knicks will be at 32 million right now. Add 5 million for their pick. 37 million. Knicks could max out Love, draft Okafor and throw all their remaining cash (about 8-9 million with cap holds) at a pretty good sg. What about Afflalo? Knicks starting 5 next season:

    Okafor
    Love
    Melo
    Afflalo
    Calderon

    Not to bad. That could do some damage in the East.
     
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    Cavs just announced Kevin Love had shoulder surgery told in NYC. He's out 4-to-6 months.

    Yup. I think this changes plans in FA for us; he'll likely opt in now...
     
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    I'm not sure he'll opt in. If I were him, I'd opt out and take a long-term deal worth less than max money. If he opts in and hurts himself again he gets even less money next summer, maybe none at all if it's a career threatening injury. He's not old, but he's got a history of hurting himself.

    The analytics are great for him right now and there's a good chance he still nails down a 60-70 million dollar deal. Say he opts in and takes his 16+ million. Then next season he gets hurt and is reduced to having to settle for a 4/40 million dollar deal or something even less. He's lost money.

    It makes more sense for him to get out, go to LA or NY for a fair price, and then rely on the market to boost his overall worth.
     
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    Love isn't taking less than max money. I think he'll bounce back fine, but I think it makes more sense to rehabilitate, get the shoulder right, opt in, and sign a new contract when the television revenue kicks in...
     
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    Not for an oft injured player it isn't. Love hasn't played a full season once in his entire career. The closest he came was as a rookie when he played mostly off the bench. Admittedly he will play through minor dings, but he's also had some fairly significant injuries. Will he bounce back from this? Entirely possible.

    But when you're in a city you don't like, on a team you don't like, getting blamed for everything, getting labelled as a malcontent, knowing one of LeBron's cronies is right behind you so they don't mind pushing you out, playing a style of game you don't want... By the way there's a city you're familiar with already, where your significant other lives, where you have a home, and with a stronger history of success... Why wouldn't you want to leave?

    At worst you're sacrificing a bit of money. At best you're protecting yourself from potential loss. Monroe was a younger player with almost no history of injury, betting on himself made way more sense. When there's a situation that you can enjoy while protecting yourself and still make a TON of money...

    It makes much more sense to opt out and sign with LA if there's any indication we'll have him.
     

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