Keep Ryan West... Who Thinks This Is A Bad Idea?

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  1. sirronstuff

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    The reality is I have very little idea what he does, or how well he does it.

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    However, when anything is reported it seems to be positive. He also is kin to one of the most respected Laker and NBA players/executives/basketball minds of all time.
     
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    The GM position involves personality and no matter how much "advice" you can get from above (Jerry), a FA deal is about fireside, family talks that get it DONE. Who can see whether Ryan can get it done. One thing we know is, we need some one in this position. The Buss family never had to earn their stripes and at least in the case of Jim, won't be selling nothing anytime soon. Unfortunately it appears Jim thinks he and Mitch can handle FA. This is going to ruin us unless our youth make us an extremely attractive destination in a few years.
     
  3. LTLakerFan

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    It's not joking or inaccurate to say Luke being here now changes that recruiting dynamic you're talking about. We've already seen it in action from Deng and Mozgov reports.
     
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    Nobody here is familiar enough to make a judgement on Ryan West. He might be smart, he might not.

    All speculation IMO. I hope Mitch continues to be the GM of this team. He has proven to be an amazing talent scout and he is great at doing trades. He does have some dumb FA signings (Gump, Mozgov, Slalom etc.). His lack of signing big FAs is rather the result of us being terrible rather than him being incompetent. I'm happy with him, so I'm not really looking forward to anybody taking his place.
     
  5. LTLakerFan

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    There have been some good articles in the past talking about the grooming process with Ryan being always around the offices when Jerry was here and then specificly under Mitch after West was gone.
     
  6. LTLakerFan

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    I guess you missed the Ryan being groomed articles too. Did you know that?
     
  7. LTLakerFan

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    Who's doing this poaching or hiring of a Troy Weaver, btw? Jeanie?? LOL she'd just bring Phil in. Which would also cost us Ryan, which I have talked about in the past with Phil already having run Jerry himself out of town. Good thing is Luke is here and has good relationship over the years with Ryan, probably close in age. Just have to hope Phil is not in our FO future some way some how.
     
  8. therealdeal

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    No I read them all. Nowhere did I read he was ready to be a GM. Not even a hint of that. Grooming someone to take a high leverage position can take years, decades. I've outlined exactly how long it took Mitch to gain full control. How long do you think it takes Ryan? Or are we to assume he's a wunderkind capable of taking over far before he's been trained for the job?

    He has literally zero job training for this specific job. He's working his way up the ranks and he'll get there in time and I think he'll be great at it. He's still got a ways to go before he's ready. Let's see him be an Assistant GM for a while before just handing him the keys.
     
  9. LTLakerFan

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    Try over 20 years. He's been an office rat like Kobe was a gym rat. In fact picked up Kobe and drove him to the 15 minute legendary workout and was there for it. Traveled with his dad for years to watch players and learned what Jerry looks for and then was taken under Mitch's wing specifically. All has been written about.
     
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    Nobody is doing any poaching; Weaver is pipe, and Jeanie hasn't been exactly inspiring confidence herself. I don't like the job Mitch has done in the previous off-seasons with the exception of this one; if we don't make the PO's next year, then I think you can make an argument he needs to be removed. Jim and Mitch since their both joined at the hip. However, let's evaluate that next season.
     
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    Fire Jim. Mitch takes Jim's job. Promote Ryan to GM. Have Luke play a big part in recruiting process. Keep Phil Jackson away.
    I don't think Ryan is ready for GM but I think having Mitch around in an advisory role will help.
     
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    Winner winner chicken dinner!!

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    Diz makes senz... My take is don't throw Ryan to the fire right away. Gradually until learns along the way and builds a rep similar to how West brought along Kupchak. Sorta like that.
     
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    This is the same argument roughly that I've been making and @LTLakerFan wasn't a fan. :D

    This is the same thing I said and also bring in Magic and Kobe as a sales team.
     
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    [​IMG] WUT?? No no.... you had Joe has potential assistant GM dude under Presti coming in to be GM over Ryan West for another 5-10 years. That hell no I wasn't a fan. He's Ryan freaking West last connection to the man everyone has always wished we had back. To me that was a needless and reckless chance to take. Worse than that actually. Guaranteed some other club would ask for permission to speak to Ryan West about a GM position shortly thereafter. For the Lakers to lose the 2nd West to me is unthinkable.
     
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    Call me skeptical. I've heard plenty of positive info about Ryan West, but it all comes from our FO and our FO is at the top of my s@%t-list right now.

    My biggest concern is that he has been learning under Mitch and Jim and I get the sense the league has evolved past them. I just don't see them as keeping up with the modern NBA. I think that's why some people want a GM from a FO that has been doing the kind of wheeling and dealing we want to emulate (like OKC, Spurs, C Bags, etc.)

    More importantly, I want a new GM and I want one now. Ryan West seems kinda young for the top job.
     
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    You're elevating this man to a some weird pedestal he has done nothing to deserve and then making assumptions about what kind of executive he'll be next year. Insanity.

    Promoting Ryan West to GM while retaining Mitch in an adviser role is exactly what Mitch went through except he was there for 14 years under Jerry.

    You want to hand the keys to the car to a kid who doesn't even have a driver's permit.
     
  18. LTLakerFan

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    As I said to me to lose the next West (everything logically points to this .... I shouldn't have to tick off a list but can I'm sure of how much sense it means to not lose Jerry West the fierce competitor all over again? You think Ryan going up with this just like Luke growing up with his dad ant greatness in the sport, is like NOT to be much like his dad? Why in the world would you believe that. To lose Ryan West after losing Jerry West is unthinkable. I don't know what to say to you further if you still disagree as to Ryan West being extremely valuable to the franchise going forward.
     
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    I am simply saying you no way no how risk losing him by bringing in a new GM, when Ryan has been serving in apprenticeship among other duties surely, on Mitch and the team's timetable as to Mitch's departcher. All these years since Mitch took the GM position in fact. That was written too.

    You would have no problem bleeping with all that by firing Mitch now, now for crissakes when things are looking up at last.... just to get your pound of flesh. Have to answer for it. Talk about baby out with the bathwater tossing ....that plan is a winner if the Lakers f*** up a second time and Ryan wind's up a stud for the next 25 years in some other franchise. Why do you think Luuke is so good so young? His whole life around basketball greatness.
     
  20. therealdeal

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    I mean this genuinely and I've asked more than once: what makes you think he'd leave if Mitch was removed and someone else was brought in? Where did that thought come from? I've outlined a clear timeframe for Ryan to move into the GM position and it will be a while. What makes you think he'd leave? Where is that coming from?
     

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