Head Coach JJ Redick Discussion: Spazzing Out

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  1. wallangong

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    Does Cranjis follow up that post with any data? If you’re going to say something is objective, you have to provide data. Never been a fan of his work. Pretty bad player evaluations and often puts in a lot of hours to draw highly questionable conclusions.

    That said, this is not meant to be a blind defense of JJ. He’s trending in the wrong direction and I’m pretty unhappy with how stubborn he’s been with lineups.
     
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    Ham would be 2-17 in games where's no LeBron,Luka or Austin
    He couldn't involve healthy AD in almost every second game,can only imagine what he would do with Ayton in start
     
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    I like this tone much better from JJ
     
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    Lebron and Luka weren't in the mood to be lectured.


    :Laugh:
     
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    Ironically a lot of opposing scouts said, that Ham actually ran good sets and plays, but the team went away from them later in games for some reason.

    :Kobe Shrug:
     
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    yeah, i hated the way he talked about the recent losses, just abdicating responsibility. lame s***. ham s***.

    yeah, that was my point in my questioning cranjis's evaluation, suggesting ham was better.

    wonder if someone played back his own comments to him, film style.

    yeah, this is the thing i keep coming back to--the guys who are paid millions and have spent years preparing for these moments keep coming to the same conclusions: abandon set offense, just vibe with superstar talent. is this laziness or is it truly the logical result of intensive analysis.

    i watched some of the clips game last night, and the gameplan on offense was just "let james cook". seriously, the whole thing. ol' ty auerbach just high screened harden until the blazers submitted. it's ugly and unimaginative. i assume they know things i don't.
     
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    At this point Id prefer Frank over JJ.
     
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    Coaching Staff | Los Angeles Lakers

    The issue is the staff. Chris Jent was an assistant under Darvin Ham and probably better than any assistant we have right now.

    Darvin was a bozo and the scheme wasn't perfect, but it was clearly better than what we have now, IMO.

    Spend the money and upgrade the staff.
     
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    f***ing idiots up top treated him like s*** for no reason.
     
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    There isn’t a more useless position in basketball than the assistant coaches. There have been very few exceptions, but useless beyond that.
     
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    Frank definitely got a raw deal.
     
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    Frank Vogel was the best coach since Phil, Rob wanted to save his a** and tried to place the blame on Frank for the front office incompetence
     
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    He will fire JJ to save his a** too.
     
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    Pelinka is gonna get bounced harder than a f***ing beach ball at a baseball game. It’s coming…
     
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    You forgot about Jordan Ott, who was also with us during the Ham era.

    He's got PHX punching above their weight and the Cavs look like a disaster without him.
     
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    I can’t imagine Walter letting Rob oversee another coaching hire. If JJ goes Rob is definitely gone too IMO.
     
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    if ownership backs the coach, stars will fall in line. Like Riley with Spoelstra when lebeotch started to complain, let the stars know the coach is going nowhere, so you better figure it out. They are on the hook to pay him for years, so ship up and fly right, or end up in another zip code to rule kang.
     
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    JJ still deserves some time to sort this all out, but its not good at the moment. The continued decline in the use of organized offense is just inexcusable when the data so clearly shows it makes this team leaps and bounds better offensively. Starting Rui has obviously been a mistake since the beginning of the season. And I'm starting to get fairly annoyed about his repeatedly calling out players for lack of effort (which is completely true, and fair) while running way too much unstructured offense and insisting on these switchy defensive schemes we just do not have the personnel for.

    At this point...what exactly is he doing better than what Darvin was doing? Cranjis has mentioned a bunch of times - Ham's offensive playbook was actually pretty darn good. They just didn't run organized offense nearly enough (sound familiar?) And Ham also did a bunch of weird lineup stuff like continually starting Prince, or not benching DLo because we were worried we'd "lose" him (again, sound familiar?)
     
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    Rob and JJ will get this season but after that all bets are off. Walter and Guggenheim group don’t play. Succeed or see you later. I’m all with it as a Dodgers fan. Bring it on.
     

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