Head Coach Frank Vogel Discussion

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  1. FrontOfJersey22

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    Yeah, he was given a group of guys that either had the ability or tried at the defensive end. That fits the style he demands and is required of a Championship Team. He was handed a group this time that includes many that are too old to play effective defense or just flat out refuse to. I would expect a Coach who just won a Championship for your Franchise SHOULD have more clout than he does.
     
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    We thought the defense would drop off without Green, Bradley, Dwight and Javale. It didn't... we don't have KCP and Caruso....Kuz and Trez both couldn't guard a parked car IMO. We are 12th in defense without the roster being whole and playing together. I wouldn't put last night's game solely on defense either. I just don't see this glaring lack of defense, some of you guys do honestly. I don't know what was going on behind the scenes with the staff in the bubble, I just know we won. I think we can win now if healthy, if he is the defensive whiz he's reputed to be, it's a lot more to it than just having Caruso and KCP.
     
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    I agree that last year he also built the defensive success of the team and that KCP and Caruso were not the defenders they are now compared to one or two seasons ago.
    Maybe he can do that with THT and Bazemore or Nunn and we have a strong closing lineup
     
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    Our offense ( including TOs) and defensive rebounding are bigger pbs than the defense itself.
     
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    He’s starting to lose me. “LeBron you do it” is not an offense, and LeBron is showing that as he takes iso after iso, he’s too old to run an entire offense, we shouldn’t ask that of him. Also he starts THT, and it turns him into a spot-up shooter, makes him have an invisible first quarter. So what does he do after watching that? Puts THT back in for the 2nd with that same exact lineup. Lastly, Bradley has been BAD for a while now, yet he keeps starting, and Vogel puts him on Tatum. I’m not an NBA coach, but I know you don’t put maybe 6 foot 4 inch Bradley on 6 foot 8 Tatum. Come on.
     
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    I’ve been critical of Vogel and my thoughts haven’t changed. He should have added an offense guy to the staff
     
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    obviously Vogel has to bear some of the fault, the roster isn't good, but we still should be playing a lot better than this.
     
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    thats just Westbrook n maybe melo but vogel couldve had say with the others
     
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    You could have both 2 Monk and 2 Bazemore type players and they are still not going to have the impact of Melo and Russ because of their role on this team. So not having any say in both Melo and Russ is a BIG deal.
     
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    I get it, but who else was gonna guard Tatum? 37/38 year old Lebron or 37/38 year old Melo?
     
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    Maybe they shouldn’t be so cheap and signed Ennis for defense. And yeah, of who we have I put LeBron on Tatum, that’s why he makes the big bucks.
     
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    How the eff do you lose by 20+ points to the friggin C Bags without their leading scorer Jaylen Brown??
     
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    Frank might not survive this road trip if he doesn't wake up soon. Even if he does survive, and he should, he's going to be on thin ice moving forward.

    You have to scrap this AD at the 5 experiment IMO. Start Howard instead of Bradley and play him more than 10 minutes a game. We need more physical play on the front court. Too many 6'4 and under players IMO. Rondo and Bradley need to be glued to the bench for the foreseeable future. Bradley is 6'2, I don't understand why we signed him, he's too small and he doesn't score consistently.
     
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    well if hes just a yes man puppet coach, why we need a coach like that around with this mess?
     
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    The issue is: there isn't anybody out there better than Frank on the market.

    If he does get fired, we'll be in a worse position.
     
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    In principle you can't fault the guy for having to deal with the missfits.

    My problem with Vogel is that he probably was consulted before the trade for Wussbrick was approved to. So as much as I think he can't do better with the damaged goods he has been given, he has also approved the deals that were made. At least I hope so.

    Insisting on a "dynamic" playmaker and going for Russ instead of other options was an incredibly dumb move, which I ranted about right away...it simply doesn't work.

    Ever since Magic was signed this team ignored chemistry and shooting. From the very beginning they went after "tough" defenders calling shooting a "trap game". When you go after scrubs like Rondo, Howard etc....that's what you deal with. But when one of those guys also tends to play 35 mpg and have the ball in his hands, you are in major trouble.
     
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    Byron Scott is available

    :ADeyeshift:
     
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    Vogel does the best with gritty teams that defend. The Pacers with preseason P and Roy Hubbard defended. The meme team championship team defended with KCP, Caruso, Dawite helping cement that idea with Ludabrow leading the way defensively. Even Kuz bought in.

    Then Rob trades away our defensive identity for the 44 million dollar Smush Parker who looked horrible in the bubble just over a year ago even though there were other options that were a better fit.

    Now we're stuck for the foreseeable future. That isn't Frank's fault. Now some of the lineup decisions, such as the Rondo Smush lineup, that's Frank's fault.
     
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    When does Reaves get back?

    Start him @ the 2 to replace Bradley.

    Get LBJ back to SF.

    I'd probably go with Melo @ the 4 keep AD @ the 5.

    Bradley is probably one of the worst starters in the league from ana analytics perspective.

    Time to bench him.
     

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