DRAFT TALK Thread: Looking Like Lonzo

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  1. trodgers

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    Sure, man.

    FG-3pt-FT by Month:
    November: 44-13-79
    December: 42-15-65
    January: 57-23-69
    February: 40-25-80
    March: 53-44-76

    In the conference tourney and NCAA tourney combined:
    7 games
    52-96 FGs 54%
    5-12 3pt 42%
    42-57 FTA 74%

    NCAA Tourney, 4 games: 50-29-78
     
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    So it would appear that there was regression to the mean, no?

    Mean being around 28?
     
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    That's better than he shot on the season, which would, at least in part, make the point: he's not as bad as people are pretending - and he did improve as the season progressed.
     
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    If its trading down between 3-5, youre still getting a possible star. Its not like anyone suggesting trading to 10th/20th or something like that....i used the 11th for 10th just to show how much value you can get even that far down, id imagine its even more value even if trading just from 3 to 2....heres a better example, Orl traded #1 (webber) for #3 (penny) and 3 or 4 future 1st rd picks, i forgot that orl did with those future 1st but they still a star themselves in penny even by trading from #1
     
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    Chris Webber (85 career win shares) was traded for picks that became...
    Penny (62 career win shares)
    Todd Fuller (2 career win shares)
    Vince Carter (122 career win shares)
    Chris Mihm (13 career win shares)

    Good trade, even if you don't like Win Shares.
     
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    Well if that's the case it's definitely worth considering, but that wasn't my original argument.

    You don't trade superior talent for two lesser talents is what I'm saying.

    As for the Penny trade, that could work when you have a transcendant talent like Shaq. A team in our position should select the best talent available.
     
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    Statistically, you ain't getting a star at any position.
     
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    But the odds have to be higher in the lottery right???
     
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    Probably true, but I believe in our scouting department moreso than statistics involving past picks from disfunctional teams.
     
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    The proposal was for two lottery picks.
     
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    Look at all the drafts over the past decade. It's true that generally the value of the selection decreases, but surely the 3 and 4 is better than the 2. That establishes the theory. So the question becomes whether what we can get is better, too.
     
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    2 vs 5 + 10 since 1994

    1994 - Jason Kidd vs Juwan Howard/Eddie Jones
    1995 - Antonio Mcdyess vs Kevin Garnett/Kurt Thomas
    1996 - Marcus Camby vs Ray Allen/Erick Dampier
    1997 - Keith Van Horn vs Tony Battie/Danny Fortson
    1998 - Mike Bibby vs Vince Carter/Paul Pierce
    1999 - Steve Francis vs Jonathan Bender/Jason Terry
    2000 - Stromile Swift vs Mike Miller/Keyon Dooling
    2001 - Tyson Chandler vs Jason Richardson/Joe Johnson
    2002- Jay Williams vs Nikoloz Tskitishvili/Caron Butler
    2003 - Darko Milicic vs Dwayne Wade/Jarvis Hayes
    2004 - Emeka Okafor vs Devin Harris/Luke Jackson
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    2015 - D'Angelo Russell vs Mario Hezonja/Justise Winslow
    2016 - Brandon Ingram vs Kris Dunn/Thon Maker

    Recent history says stay put, play the odds and you can draft DMC/PG or Love/Lopez in one draft.
     
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    I don't mind if we trade down if Boston picks someone other than Fultz. It pushes talent down nicely.

    But I don't see that happening and I'd rather stay put in general. This is also assuming the Kings even would be willing to move two lottery picks for one.
     
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    It does? We must be reading the data differently.
     
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    Last 4 out of 5 years (2013 I'd move back) it would be better to stay put. That's recent history for me.
     
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    I'd switch three of the last five. I like LA's picks. By the way, I'd rather have LA drafting twice in the top ten than almost any other team.
     
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    I thought the question was trading a player that had a 40% chance of becoming a star for 2 solid players (ie Perkins) that had no chance.
     
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    But that's a) not the reality and b) still worth considering.
     
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    Anyone who can't see through the BS are morons. Who cares. Lakers are getting Lonzo. Game over.
     
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