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So did those 9 Democrats mock health precautions as well? This is all a circus.

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might want to read the tweet again

points out how so many more GOP congress members have tested positive due to their carelessness

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might want to read the tweet again

points out how so many more GOP congress members have tested positive due to their carelessness
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Lol, I read the tweet. You may wanna read my comment again.

“The virus knows no party, except when individuals typically from one particular party flout and mock health precautions.”

So does this guy know all 28 Republicans and knows all of them mocked health precautions and does he know that all 9 Democrats followed all the precautions? Gimme a break. They all got COVID. I think it’s a circus to keep saying only the Republicans are getting COVID under the narrative that they are careless and the Democrats are cautious and yet people from both sides are getting it.

I don’t think you can correlate the cautiousness or lack thereof to getting COVID or not.

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Lol, I read the tweet. You may wanna read my comment again.

“The virus knows no party, except when individuals typically from one particular party flout and mock health precautions.”

So does this guy know all 28 Republicans and knows all of them mocked health precautions and does he know that all 9 Democrats followed all the precautions? Gimme a break. They all got COVID. I think it’s a circus to keep saying only the Republicans are getting COVID under the narrative that they are careless and the Democrats are cautious and yet people from both sides are getting it.

I don’t think you can correlate the cautiousness or lack thereof to getting COVID or not.
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so it's just a coincidence that more GOP members of congress have become sick with it, given the party's attitude towards the virus/pandemic?

i mean, look at who has tested positive on the GOP side and then look at the things they've said/done in regards to the virus. some of them attended that barrett confirmation super spreader event at the WH. that's being careless

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Leaked files expose mass infiltration of firms by Chinese Communist Party including AstraZeneca, Pfizer, GlaxoSmithKline and Jaguar Land Rover

Loyal members of Chinese Communist Party are working in British consulates, universities and for some of the UK's leading companies, The Mail on Sunday can reveal

Leaked database of 1.95m registered party members reveals how Beijing's malign influence now stretches into almost every corner of British life, including defence firms, banks and pharmaceutical giants

Some members, who swear oath to 'guard Party secrets, be loyal to the Party, work hard, fight for communism throughout my life...and never betray the Party', are understood to have jobs in British consulates

By Jake Ryan and Jonathan Bucks and Holly Bancroft For The Mail On Sunday

Published: 17:38 EST, 12 December 2020 | Updated: 23:26 EST, 12 December 2020

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Loyal members of the Chinese Communist Party are working in British consulates, universities and for some of the UK's leading companies, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

An extraordinary leaked database of 1.95 million registered party members reveals how Beijing's malign influence now stretches into almost every corner of British life, including defence firms, banks and pharmaceutical giants.

Most alarmingly, some of its members – who swear a solemn oath to 'guard Party secrets, be loyal to the Party, work hard, fight for communism throughout my life...and never betray the Party' – are understood to have secured jobs in British consulates.

Among them is a senior official at the British Consulate in Shanghai. Its headquarters is also home to intelligence officers from the UK security services.

The official describes their role as supporting ministers and officials on visits to East China.

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Loyal members of the Chinese Communist Party are working in British consulates, universities and for some of the UK's leading companies, The Mail on Sunday can reveal. An extraordinary leaked database of 1.95 million registered party members reveals how Beijing's malign influence now stretches into almost every corner of British life, including defence firms, banks and pharmaceutical giants. (Pictured above, front, President Xi Jinping at a CCP session)

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The database was originally leaked on Telegram, the encrypted instant messaging app, and passed in September by a Chinese dissident to the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China, which comprises more than 150 legislators around the world who are concerned by the influence and activities of the Chinese government. Detailed analysis by MoS of the material reveals that pharmaceutical giants Pfizer and AstraZeneca – both involved in the development of coronavirus vaccines – employed a total 123 party loyalists

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The analysis also revealed that there were more than 600 party members across 19 branches working at the British banks HSBC and Standard Chartered in 2016. Both have drawn criticism for their response to Beijing's crackdown in Hong Kong

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Firms with defence industry interests including Airbus, Boeing and Rolls-Royce employed hundreds of party members, the analysis showed

While there is no evidence that anyone on the party membership list has spied for China – and many sign up simply to boost their career prospects – experts say it defies credulity that some are not involved in espionage. Responding to the findings, an alliance of 30 MPs last night said they would be tabling an urgent question about the issue in the Commons.

Writing in The Mail on Sunday today, former Tory Party leader Iain Duncan Smith says: 'This investigation proves that members of the Chinese Communist Party are now spread around the globe, with members working for some of the world's most important multinational corporations, academic institutions and our own diplomatic services.

'The Government must now move to expel and remove any members of the Communist Party from our Consuls throughout China. They can either serve the UK or the Chinese Communist Party. They cannot do both.'

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Writing in The Mail on Sunday today, former Tory Party leader Iain Duncan Smith (above) says: 'This investigation proves that members of the Chinese Communist Party are now spread around the globe, with members working for some of the world's most important multinational corporations, academic institutions and our own diplomatic services'

The Foreign Office last night insisted that it has 'robust procedures in place to keep information secure and to vet staff at our overseas posts'. It is understood they are aware that they employ party members.

However, a senior Whitehall intelligence source said the revelations did raise security questions. 'In that station [the official] will be sat one floor away from the MI6 team and could have identified intelligence officers.'

The database was originally leaked on Telegram, the encrypted instant messaging app, and passed in September by a Chinese dissident to the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China (IPAC), which comprises more than 150 legislators around the world who are concerned by the influence and activities of the Chinese government.

Dating from 2016, it includes the names of party members in Shanghai, the largest city in China and its financial hub.

The list is divided into more than 79,000 branches, many of them affiliated to individual companies or organisations.

In total, the Chinese Communist Party has more than 92 million members, but competition to join is fierce with fewer than one in ten applicants successful.

After authenticating the material, with the help of data security analysts Internet 2.0, IPAC passed the database to four media organisations around the world, including The Mail on Sunday. Detailed analysis of it by this newspaper reveals that:

A party member who studied at St Andrews University worked at various consulates in Shanghai including that of the UK;

Chinese academics who swore the oath to assist the party attended British universities where they were involved in potentially sensitive areas of research including aerospace engineering and chemistry;

There were more than 600 party members across 19 branches working at the British banks HSBC and Standard Chartered in 2016. Both have drawn criticism for their response to Beijing's crackdown in Hong Kong;

The pharmaceutical giants Pfizer and AstraZeneca – both involved in the development of coronavirus vaccines – employed a total 123 party loyalists;

Firms with defence industry interests including Airbus, Boeing and Rolls-Royce employed hundreds of party members.

Security sources believe the initial data leak came from a dissident who targeted an outwardly unremarkable office block in Shanghai which housed the records.

Despite the near certainty of being executed for treason if caught, he or she probably accessed it via a server before downloading it on to a laptop and releasing it on Telegram where it was found by IPAC.

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In total, the Chinese Communist Party has more than 92 million members, but competition to join is fierce with fewer than one in ten applicants successful. (Above, President Xi Jinping of China)

As well as the names of members, the database has places, dates of birth, Chinese ethnicity and in some cases addresses and telephone numbers.

The consular official is registered in a communist party branch within a company called the The Shanghai Foreign Agency Service Corporation, a state-owned employment agency.

Oath of loyalty which party members swear
New members of the Chinese Communist Party swear an oath of loyalty in front of a traditional flag bearing a hammer and sickle to signify proletarian solidarity.

With fist raised, they say: 'It is my will to join the Communist Party of China, uphold the Party's program, observe the provisions of the Party Constitution, fulfil a Party member's duties, carry out the Party's decisions, strictly observe Party discipline, guard Party secrets, be loyal to the Party, work hard, fight for communism throughout my life, be ready at all times to sacrifice my all for the Party and the people, and never betray the Party.'

While there are 92 million members across China, this equates to just six per cent of the population. Indeed, competition is fierce with less than one in ten applicants accepted.

The rewards are not purely ideological. Senior positions in business, academia and government are almost exclusively occupied by party members.

Experts say that since coming to power in 2013, Chinese President Xi Jinping has emphasised the importance of the Party with members compelled to attend more regular meetings and undergo appraisals.

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It employs almost 2,000 people and its website says it 'provides comprehensive and high-quality services to more than 100 foreign organisations in Shanghai including foreign consulates, foreign news media, and foreign schools'.

Analysis of the data shows at least 249 Communist Party members were registered with the agency in 2016.

Academics on the membership list include some living and working in the UK. They include a research fellow in aerospace engineering at a leading university who also works for a private company.

Aerospace engineering is designated by the British Government as among the seven most militarily sensitive university subjects.

Students from countries that are not in the EU or the 'Five Eyes' network of Britain, the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are required to have an Academic Technology Approval Scheme (ATAS) certificate.

During the application process, they are asked to declare any state-linked funding, although some security experts fear the vetting process is not stringent enough. The research fellow did not respond to a request for comment last night.

The US security services have been increasingly concerned about the threat of Chinese espionage on campuses.

In the nine months to September, 14 Chinese nationals were charged over alleged spying offences and the Trump administration last week changed its visa rules so members of the Chinese Communist Party and their families can stay or get travel documents for only a month.

Last week, John Ratcliffe, the US Director of National Security, warned that China posed the 'greatest threat to democracy and freedom' since the Second World War and was striving to dominate 'the planet economically, militarily and technologically'.

Australia revoked the visas of two professors from China in September amid suspicions they were involved in espionage. One of the men appears on the leaked membership list.

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The database also reveals that party members work for many British and international companies in China, several involved in the defence or pharmaceutical industries.

Rolls-Royce, Boeing, Airbus and the French defence contractor Thales each have dozens of party members or more on their books while the British banking giants HSBC and Standard Chartered both have hundreds. Jaguar Land Rover was another company with staff who were members of the party.

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Last week, John Ratcliffe (above), the US Director of National Security, warned that China posed the 'greatest threat to democracy and freedom' since the Second World War and was striving to dominate 'the planet economically, militarily and technologically'

Cosco, a major Chinese shipping firm, even has two branches in the UK for its seven members. Three are based at the port of Felixstowe, Suffolk, which receives almost half of Britain's container trade.

In total, the list for 2016 reveals 2,909 members working for Cosco across 118 branches worldwide.

None of the companies above said they banned members of the Chinese Communist Party from being employees.

There is no evidence that any of the firms named above has been targeted or fallen victim to espionage and each insists it has measures in place to protect data, staff and customers.

Reacting to the findings, former Foreign Office diplomat and China expert Matthew Henderson said: 'This is yet further proof of how China has inveigled its way into the British establishment. We are dancing with rabid wolves, intent on driving a wedge between Britain and America, overthrowing democracy and outstripping the West.'

Sam Armstrong, from the Henry Jackson Society foreign policy think-tank, said: 'This is a deeply disturbing illustration of China's spread across the globe which we can't look away from and must tackle head on.'

And a former CIA and White House intelligence analyst, who specialises in East Asia affairs, said: 'This is what the Chinese Communist Party is and you can't trust them. They're always looking for opportunities where they can take advantage of relationships, friendships, whatever, to further the interests of the Communist Party.'

However, Robbie Barnett, an affiliate of the Lau China Institute at King's College London and at London's School of Oriental and African Studies, said: 'It's not likely that many members in China actually believe in or care about Communism, so it's largely a nation-building project, not an ideological one.

'That's just one of the many reasons that a McCarthyist, catch-all approach doesn't make sense, even apart from the fact that it would be a gross abuse of people's human rights.'

Last night, a Chinese Embassy spokeswoman said: 'We urge the media to abandon ideological bias and Cold-War mentality and view China, the Communist Party of China and China's development in a rational and impartial manner.'

Chained: Media mogul who defied tyranny
Handcuffed, bound in chains and flanked by police officers, businessman Jimmy Lai is led to court to face charges of colluding with foreign powers.

The pro-democracy media mogul, one of the few business leaders in Hong Kong to speak out against the draconian new national security laws, was denied bail yesterday over allegations he had asked foreign countries to impose sanctions.

Mr Lai, 73, owner of the pro-democracy tabloid Apple Daily and founder of Next Digital Media, has repeatedly called for international action over the erosion of liberties in Hong Kong.

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Crackdown: Pro-democracy businessman Jimmy Lai, chained round his waist and wrists to a guard, is marched to court yesterday

The charges reportedly relate to tweets he posted, including one in May asking Donald Trump to impose sanctions on China, and his decision to launch an English-language edition of Apple Daily.

Hong Kong politician Ted Hui, who lives in Britain after being forced into exile, told Radio 4's Today programme: 'I feel extremely heavy watching my friends go to jail, perhaps for life. Freedom of speech is totally collapsed in Hong Kong and it's extremely alarming to the world.'

Mr Lai's arrest is the latest in a crackdown on Hong Kong's pro-democracy movement since the sweeping national security law passed this summer by Beijing, which allows Chinese security forces to operate there.

Last week, activists Joshua Wong, Agnes Chow and Ivan Lam were jailed for taking part in an unauthorised protest last year. Teenage activist Tony Chung was also convicted last week of desecrating the Chinese flag, and at least 16 other activists were arrested.

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The devotee who works just yards from MI6 spies

Outwardly at least, the British consulate in Shanghai – at 17F Garden Square – appears wholly unremarkable. There is little to distinguish it from the other high-rise buildings that crowd the city's historic riverside district. What goes on inside, however, is quite a different matter.

One consular official identified in the leaked database is said by security sources to work near to a team of MI6 officers operating under diplomatic cover. Intriguingly, and some critics of the China's regime may think worryingly too, the official is apparently on the floor below or, as one security source put it, 'down a staircase'.

There is no evidence that anything untoward has taken place, but the simple fact that a Chinese Communist Party member is working in close proximity to intelligence officers has in itself given rise to concerns that the UK is 'playing with fire'.

Long known as a city of intrigue, Shanghai was fabled in the 1930s as the Paris of the East, China's most modern metropolis, a haven for gangsters and intellectuals, colonials and radicals, the new rich and the ultra-poor.

The communist revolution changed all that and the city's famous vitality was largely stamped out. Even in the late 1980s, when other parts of China were modernising fast, Shanghai lagged behind.

Now its appearance is positively futuristic. The skyscrapers in the gleaming financial district Pudong, for instance, dwarf the old colonial waterfront across the Huangpu river.

One senior Whitehall security source claimed: 'In that station [the official] will be sat one floor away from the security services team.

'In theory, anybody walking past where the official works and up the staircase could be identified as an intelligence officer and that information passed back to the Communist Party.'

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CDC says only 6% of deaths reported are related to COVID

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Doctors got paid 20% more to report it that way.

if the CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL IS SAYING THIS, why don’t people believe it. Just curious.

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Really hard to justify further lockdowns. Demonstrations are happening all over the world, not just here.

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everyone is fed up

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so it's just a coincidence that more GOP members of congress have become sick with it, given the party's attitude towards the virus/pandemic?

i mean, look at who has tested positive on the GOP side and then look at the things they've said/done in regards to the virus. some of them attended that barrett confirmation super spreader event at the WH. that's being careless
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Yeah, and yet there were people there who didn’t get COVID. There was a Republican senator who had a mask on and still got it if I remember correctly.

This narrative would have more oomph if there were no Democrats who got COVID and if the virus was selective. It’s a ridiculous narrative to keep pushing. If we go by that narrative than the 16M cases and almost 300k people that have died from COVID were Republicans or Trump supporters.

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Yeah, and yet there were people there who didn’t get COVID. There was a Republican senator who had a mask on and still got it if I remember correctly.

This narrative would have more oomph if there were no Democrats who got COVID and if the virus was selective. It’s a ridiculous narrative to keep pushing. If we go by that narrative than the 16M cases and almost 300k people that have died from COVID were Republicans or Trump supporters.
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well that's exactly it, the virus isn't selective. and someone wearing a mask at a super-spreader event like that only lowers their risk by so much

but it's going to affect more those who ignore precautionary measures, which is why more GOP congresspeople have become sick with it. just like how more people who continue to attend large gatherings/parties get sick compared to those who take precaution and stay home more often

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Yeah, and yet there were people there who didn’t get COVID. There was a Republican senator who had a mask on and still got it if I remember correctly.

This narrative would have more oomph if there were no Democrats who got COVID and if the virus was selective. It’s a ridiculous narrative to keep pushing. If we go by that narrative than the 16M cases and almost 300k people that have died from COVID were Republicans or Trump supporters.
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Not sure what you mean by “if the virus was selective”. Of course it can affect anyone and has no relation to party affiliation, of course it can potentially spread to someone even if they are wearing masks and following guidelines. Nobody is saying that only Republicans or Trump supporters get Covid. Nobody is saying that all Republicans/Trump supporters disobey health guidelines.

But come on man, Republicans clearly tend to be more loose with distancing/mask guidelines with many openly defying them, and proportionately this has led to many more Republicans in public office coming down with Covid than Democrats. If 28 Republicans vs 9 Democrats isn’t enough for you to see this, what exactly are you looking for? It would really have to be 0 Democrats with COVID for you to believe that the Republican trend to gather without masks is dangerous?

“I don’t think you can correlate the cautiousness or lack thereof to getting COVID or not.”

Well yes... you absolutely can draw that correlation. That’s the whole takeaway. If you don’t wear masks and have large gatherings, you are more likely to get Covid. That’s a medical fact, not a partisan argument.

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Not sure what you mean by “if the virus was selective”. Of course it can affect anyone and has no relation to party affiliation, of course it can potentially spread to someone even if they are wearing masks and following guidelines.
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I think we're on the same page here. I'm saying the virus is NOT selective so the randomness of it is a factor.

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Nobody is saying that only Republicans or Trump supporters get Covid. Nobody is saying that all Republicans/Trump supporters disobey health guidelines.
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So then what does it matter if some politicians get it or not? Optics?

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But come on man, Republicans clearly tend to be more loose with distancing/mask guidelines with many openly defying them, and proportionately this has led to many more Republicans in public office coming down with Covid than Democrats. If 28 Republicans vs 9 Democrats isn’t enough for you to see this, what exactly are you looking for? It would really have to be 0 Democrats with COVID for you to believe that the Republican trend to gather without masks is dangerous?
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I think you want me to see what you want me to see. I gave the observation about the narrative, I couldn't careless about the numbers. I'd be saying the same thing if it was switched and it was the Democrats getting the heat.

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I think we're on the same page here. I'm saying the virus is NOT selective so the randomness of it is a factor.

So then what does it matter if some politicians get it or not? Optics?

I think you want me to see what you want me to see. I gave the observation about the narrative, I couldn't careless about the numbers. I'd be saying the same thing if it was switched and it was the Democrats getting the heat.
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There is an element of randomness, but trends that play out within that randomness have meaning.

Why does it matter? If one party is more prominently ignoring health guidelines, and that results in that party having more Covid cases as direct evidence of why that is problematic, that should factor into our thought process when evaluating our government’s policy making. It should also hopefully reaffirm why we individually should be diligent in following health guidelines.

It doesn’t mean “See, Republicans don’t know how to handle the pandemic”, but it is a data point. It’s up to you on how much that data point weighs in your evaluation, but to just dismiss it as being an outlandish media narrative is honestly just strange to me.

Republicans don’t take the virus as seriously. More prominent Republican figures have come down with Covid. There is likely a correlation between the two. Is this really debatable?

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What’s debatable is if it even matters. I think the data is showing that most people will be exposed to Covid, and the vast majority will not show symptoms. If they do have symptoms, they will be minor.

so if the Republicans figured all of this out a little sooner, and chose not to live in fear and be over anal on masks, kudos to them for not being played as fools. Everyone will be exposed to COVID. It’s not if, but when. The goal of masks is to slow the spread so the medical infrastructure can handle the cases.

those who are more susceptible should be more careful, but shutting down entire countries will prove to be silly when the history is written. But we don’t know what we don’t know, so people do their best until more information becomes widely available and accepted.

there is a growing population that believes there are ulterior motives going on - on a much bigger scale, and it wouldn’t surprise me that some of it could turn out to be true.

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Pfizer’s CEO hasn’t gotten his Covid vaccine yet, saying he doesn’t want to cut in line
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Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said he hasn’t received his company’s Covid-19 vaccine shot yet, telling CNBC that he and other executives will not “cut the line.”

The vaccine, which Pfizer developed in partnership with Germany-based BioNTech, is the first to be authorized for emergency use in the U.S. to prevent Covid-19.

Bourla’s comments come as the first deliveries of doses are set to arrive at more than 100 of the country’s 636 pre-determined distribution sites.

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla hasn’t received his company’s Covid-19 vaccine shot yet, saying Monday he and other executives will not “cut the line” as U.S. officials kick off a massive effort to distribute the vaccine across the country.

The vaccine, which Pfizer developed in partnership with Germany-based BioNTech, is the first approved for emergency use in the U.S. to prevent Covid-19. The Food and Drug Administration on Friday authorized the vaccine for use in people 16 and older, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Sunday officially recommended its use.

However, there are limited doses available and as such, the CDC has recommended states prioritize health-care workers and long-term care residents for initial distribution.

While Bourla’s company developed the vaccine, he is not a frontline health-care worker himself. He said he’s also 59 and in relatively good health, so it’s not entirely appropriate for him to receive the vaccine before other people who need it more. If he was vaccinated on camera, he said it might help increase the public’s willingness to receive it, citing Pfizer’s internal research. But he emphasized that “none of the executives and board members will cut the line.”

Bourla also urged Americans to “trust science” and encouraged people to get vaccinated when appropriate, based on their age and occupation.

“This is a vaccine that was developed without cutting corners from a company with 171 years of credentials,” Bourla said Monday on “Squawk Box.” “This is a vaccine that was developed in the spotlight, in the daylight, with all the data being put in a server.”

Bourla’s comments come as the first deliveries of doses are set to arrive at more than 100 of the country’s 636 pre-determined distribution sites. Some frontline health-care workers are due to be vaccinated as soon as Monday morning and vaccination is set to begin among long-term care residents next week, according to Operation Warp Speed officials.

It’s a monumental logistical challenge. The federal government has partnered with UPS, FedEx, McKesson, CVS, Walgreens, among others, to help distribute the vaccine and actually administer it. But state immunization officials have warned that the so-called last-mile delivery of the vaccine will be the most challenging, and states are largely responsible for that effort. State officials have repeatedly called on the federal government to provide more funding to hasten the effort.

The vaccine could not arrive soon enough. The U.S. is approaching the heart-wrenching milestone of 300,000 deaths caused by Covid-19. Top U.S. health officials, including CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield, have warned that the rate of death is unlikely to slow for months, even as a vaccine is rolled out. That’s because the U.S. doesn’t have enough doses to broadly vaccine throughout the population of 331 million Americans, and needs to prioritize the country’s most vulnerable and essential.

Alex Azar, secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, which has partnered with the Department of Defense to run Operation Warp Speed, said Monday on the “TODAY” show that the general population could begin getting vaccinations by the end of February or early March. Dr. Celine Gounder, a member of President-elect Joe Biden’s Covid-19 advisory board, later Monday called it a “fairly optimistic timeline” on CNN.
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He's too busy counting up his $ from the CEO bonus that he will get this year to take a vaccine... C'mon man, leave him alone.

In other news, DeBlasio wants to lock the city down again after Christmas. This guy is an absolute joke. These businesses can't survive another lockdown. Rumors are Andrew Yang will run for Mayor of NYC. I hope so... this city is getting destroyed right now by incompetent leadership.

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John3:16 and revgen like this.
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https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJgCBJco/

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This says 15 min after taking the vaccine. I can’t verify if true, but if it is, please don’t rush to take it.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJgCK5UC/

***Follow up***

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.wash.../17/nurse-faints-after-getting-covid-vaccine/

“It just hit me all of a sudden, I could feel it coming on. I felt a little disoriented but I feel fine now, and the pain in my arm is gone,” Ms. Dover said.

She soon recovered and spoke again with WTVC, saying she has a condition where she often faints when she feels pain.

“It’s common for me” she said.

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So what's the point of all these politicians and public figures getting the vaccine on camera in front of everyone? I'm NOT anti-vaccine, but this seems silly. No one knows what's in that vial. They could be injecting pure heroin into their arms for all we know. Such a stupid demonstration. It is absolutely pointless.

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