Coronavirus - What Are The Implications?

LOL it's like a debate between science and religion.

 

Mind bottling ...... the scope of coordination over the entire planet to pull off a hoax like this. The moon landings can't carry Covid-19's jock.

 

If I was being an a** in my prior interaction with Savory over John's harmless comments, it's probably because my pent up frustration over all the nonsense I've been seeing online like KuzmoBall's posts. Probably should be directing more of my vitriol in that direction instead, but this is an example where I do think arguing with Kuzmo would be pointless. He's not going to change his mind and he is entrenched in dangerous views.

Anyways, was curious what everyone thinks about the schooling issue that's currently in the media cycle? Specifically if you have children or grandchildren. If you think the virus is being overblown or masks are unnecessary, would you want your kids/grandkids physically going in to school even if social distancing/mask guidelines were not enforced? Or would you be a bit more cautious with the kids?

I get that education is very important and it's harmful to keep kids out of school, and also harmful to the family unit when parents have to make adjustments to home school which they may not be equipped for. I also get that children seem to be less affected by the virus.

But personally I still would be hesitant to send my kids to school if I was a parent, especially with public figures being lax about any regulations that would come with it. Apparently a distant relative has had their entire household catch the virus and while they're not hospitalized yet, they're all pretty ill including some of the toddler in the house. I know second-hand anecdotal evidence doesn't really matter, but I think we need to be more cautious with children. Especially considering there are signs that adults who recover have long-term symptoms, we don't know what kind of long term impact there will be on kids who get the virus with only mild symptoms.

 

I wouldn’t doubt that at all.

 

Neither would I. But I would doubt that numbers manipulation is a primary cause of our high numbers.

Savory, I know you said that the hospitals are doing it for money not necessarily to exaggerate the pandemic. But isn’t the implication there that, regardless of intent, the pandemic is being exaggerated?

I don’t think that’s accurate and don’t think an unverifiable anecdote should lend evidence to that view.

The virus is real and it’s continuing to spread. Many locations, including my own county that had only 5 ICU beds left at one point last week, are being hit very hard. You can lie about the distribution of what conditions ICU patients are in for, but you can’t lie about ICU’s unexpectedly filling up to dangerous levels (yes, I’m aware that there is surge capacity but that shouldn’t be necessary if the virus isn’t a big deal).

 

He never really explains or expands on this though which is really generic. (or did I miss it honest question I scanned just briefly back a 2nd time)

Why .... for what they are maintaining to be true that in the home is more of a health risk? I'm willing to listen. This is a tough question. And kids then can take it home to parents and grandparents if that comes to pass a lot are getting infected at school. What a mess this is everywhere in our society right now. And with totally the wrong leader in the White House.

"I'm of the point of view as a public health leader in this nation, that having the schools actually closed is a greater public health threat to the children than having the schools reopen," he said to Steve Clemons of The Hill.

"I think really people underestimate the public health consequences of having the schools closed on the kids," Redfield reportedly said. "I'm confident we can open these schools safely, work in partnership with the local jurisdictions."


OOOPS ..... I see there is a video and have not watched it. I was above only referring to the highlights in the copy on that page in the article.

 

He says, the day after Trump publicly criticizes the CDC for their strict re-opening guidelines and threatens local governments demanding that they open schools. Not sure how much that opinion is actually based in science as opposed to pressure from the Trump administration.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...id-19-school-reopening-guidelines/5405407002/

And the “strict” guidelines that Trump is disavowing are really the basic public health guidelines being asked for everywhere else. Maintain distance, wear masks, keep things clean, etc.

So sure keeping schools closed has its own harm. But I can’t get on the same page that keeping school closed is a greater risk to public health THEN SENDING KIDS TO SCHOOL WHILE REJECTING BASIC HEALTH GUIDELINES DURING A DEVELOPING PANDEMIC.

You had Trump pundits like Tucker Carlson describe the idea of mask/distancing requirements as “bizarre theater without any basis in science”, when he himself a few months ago was criticizing health organizations for NOT advocating for masks.

Trump says he’s not going to allow people to keep schools closed for political reasons. But to me that very clearly looks like the opposite; he is going to endanger children (and therefore the general public that they can bring the virus back home to) in order to put up this facade that everything is okay for his own political gain.

So I’m still curious where you personally stand. Do you have children, grandchildren, or otherwise acquainted with kids who would be attending school? If so, would you advocate for them to fully return to school without any assurances that there would be distancing/mask requirements?

 

Yeah I'm with you. We need to give it a try but only with the safest possible conditions and be ready to shut it down if need be. Entire families can be at risk as has happened already or 80% of at least one family I saw on the news or in print was killed from internally passing it amongst themselves. Certainly families with 2 or more It's happened as well. Until we get a vaccine or some effective treatment, young kids at school bringing it home are a real risk.

 

anything for clicks and likes

:Vogelheaving:

 

Being locked in has produced devastating long-term damage than the actual illness.

For those who are immunocompromised this illness is a death nail. More attention should be paid for preventative care/strengthening immunity.

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/several-florida-labs-report-positivity-rates-100
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And as always f*** Dr Fauci.

 

wow, public manipulation at its finest. Might have to do with a Republican Convention scheduled to take place as well.

this part made me chuckle

"reported more than 50 labs showing 100% positivity rate, or roughly around there. "



roughly around 100%

 

Well, yes to the above. Then again, no to the, "once again f*** Dr Fauci" arguments of hoax which I know you're not saying above. Sub title below in L.A. Times is, "Would we take the pandemic more seriously if we understood what it's like to die a COVID-19 death? "

Gasping, afraid and alone

https://www.latimes.com/california/...-afraid-the-brutal-reality-of-covid-19-deaths

Sorry with Lakers basketball so close again and count me in I am excited! For having dropped that, though, changing name to

LTDebbieDowner for a day ..... this forum only

 

Tim is correct. Fauci and the Dem governors keep losing credibility every day.