Contract Value

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  1. trodgers

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    I included a brief and, I thought, clear description! :)
     
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    So..Jordan Clarkson, good contract? Bad contract? My eye test and the market for comparable players tell me very good contract. Sorry, I failed math in high school.
     
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    I'm out to dinner. I'll write up something tomorrow to explain my view. :)
     
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    I think the new salary cap is going to skew all of the numbers for a couple of years. I suppose you could use a multiplier to factor the old cap versus the new, yikes.
     
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    It is, just poking fun of course.
     
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    all secondary analyses of these data require faith in the numbers themselves. i don't have the latter (the context-based volatility in many of these stats is terrifying from a reliability standpoint), but it's an interesting exercise nonetheless.
     
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    I still dont understand that evaluation, but i like jc and his contract even under the old cap.
     
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    This is sort of the point. Someone posted some complex data that allegedly showed that JC's contract was the worst among players making $10m+. I find that unlikely and unreasonable. So I started tossing out different metrics. I'm not sure there's one best metric. Like I said: no one who's picking up Noah for four seasons is getting him to do what Whiteside is getting paid to do.
     
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    Added in some max players: DeRozan (who looks good), Conley (who mostly doesn't), and Horford (who's mostly in-between).
     
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    His $/(pt/ast/reb) is very low, but his other measures are astronomically bad. Even worse than his buddy Nick Young.
     
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    The fact that only a percentage of all NBA players have resigned contracts in '16 and can take advantage of the "new" NBA money is going to create wild disparities.
     
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    I agree.

    He is today paid less (12.5 million) than the following:
    Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (13 million)
    Tyson Chandler (13 million)
    Jamal Crawford (13.2 million)*
    Ricky Rubio (13.2 million)
    Rajon Rondo (14 million)*
    Manu Ginobili (14 million)*
    DeMarre Carroll (14 million)
    Thaddeus Young (14.1 million)
    Jonas Valanciunas (14.3 million)
    Khris Middleton (15 million)
    Jeff Green (15 million)*
    Danilo Gallinari (15.5 million)
    Kent Bazemore (15.7 million)*
    Goran Dragic (15.8 million)
    Ian Mahinmi (15.9 million)*
    Timofey Mozgov (16 million)*
    Evan Turner (16.4 million)*
    Joakim Noah (17 million)*
    Evan Fournier (17 million)*
    Bismack Biyombo (17 million)*
    Wesley Matthews (17.1 million)
    Greg Monroe (17.1 million)
    Enes Kanter (17.1 million)
    Tobias Harris (17.2 million)
    Luol Deng (18 million)*
    Allen Crabbe (18.5 million)*
    Ryan Anderson (18.7 million)*
    Derrick Rose (21 million)
    Chandler Parsons (22 million)*

    *signed this year

    I think, based on no statistical evidence whatsoever, that Clarkson is either a better basketball player or better value at his price than all of those players.
     
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    I think it was referring to "new" contracts, but yeah, no doubt he will outperform the value of many/most on the last. I'm looking for a great year from him, and think he's ready to spread his wings in a way he could not with Byron/Kobe around.
     
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    Ran all the rest of the Lakers' numbers:

    Gross Value (Low is Good)
    Huertas 1.77
    Randle 2.27
    Nance 2.98
    Brown 4.41
    Russell 4.64
    Williams 5.13
    Calderon 7.18
    Clarkson 7.23
    Young 10.71
    Deng 12.05
    Mozgov 18.93
    Black 20.92
    --I think the limitations and strengths of this measure are clear. If you can stand to put a veteran minimum player or rookie-controlled salary player on the court, you're going to have massive value in terms of gross output. Alas, the question is whether this output is good relative to the competition - and clearly it's not - with Huertas and Brown near the top of the list.

    V Value (High is good)
    Williams .157
    Calderon .130
    Deng .128
    Nance .095
    Clarkson .032
    Mozgov .019
    Russell .014
    Black -.031
    Young -.125
    Randle -.209
    Brown -.556
    Huertas -1.000
    --This one takes account of both offense and defense, and I think it's sensitive to team performance (but I'm not sure on that). The top three spots are vets. I guess that's not surprising. The bottom three are rookies (and "rookies"). I guess that's not surprising. I might be leaning more and more toward this being the best representation of value added to the team's performance, but I can't shake the thought that both Williams and Calderon are awful defenders.

    PER Value (High is good)
    Williams 12.49
    Clarkson 11.91
    Deng 1.66
    Mozgov -5.53
    Randle -5.54
    Black -6.62
    Brown -9.7
    Calderon -29.6
    Russell -32.4
    Young -34.2
    Nance -38.9
    Huertas -82.5
    -This is just straight up man vs. man performance. Lou outperforms his counterpart. So does JC. Deng does, too, and then we start looking at a deep chasm. Mozgov, Randle, and Black - three bigs - are net negatives over the course of the season on this measure, but it's manageable and could be disguised. After that, it's tough. Nance's numbers shouldn't surprise; he won't outplay his counterpart in boxscore impact. He's a team player who makes those around him better. It's why his number was so much higher on the other measure.
     
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    ...so Brown is worth a penny to quantify in pound's inquiry. Not a nickel mind you, but a penny. :)
     
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