Byron Dislikes Jeremy Lin Running So Much Pick & Roll

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  1. LaVarBallsDad

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    Great post, Doc. Right on the money. Dallas also runs a lot of pick in roll, too. They run it throughout the game and not just in late-game situations. Also, it's funny that Byron's criticizing the pick in roll when that's all he ran in his time with the Hornets; he had Tyson Chandler setting the screen and Paul running the pick in roll. That was his pet play, I believe David West who was on that team criticized him for not being more imaginative and running other plays.

    So, Scott believes in no analytics, no 3's, and no pick in roll. Additionally, he likes to throw players under the bus instead of talking and or hashing things out internally. This is just his 1st year by the way...
     
    LaVarBallsDad, Mar 8, 2015
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    I'm with him on the idea that Lin's brand of pick and roll is weak. It's completely dependent on Lin's success. There's no movement, no ball movement, and it's not an effective strategy to win long term. If it was maybe Lin wouldn't be bouncing around the league.

    Now I'm not saying we should stop running it completely but there should be a good balance of things before that. The great teams have offensive sets they use along with pick and roll.

    Hopefully that's what he meant.
     
    therealdeal, Mar 8, 2015
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    That's what I thought trd. That said sometimes it feels like that moment when meta took the 3 vs Boston 'nooooo!' And then everyone goes crazy when it falls through the hole. When did byron start focusing on analytics?
     
    southbaylakers72, Mar 8, 2015
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    BScott on analytics: "I think we’ve got a few guys who believe in it. I’m not one of them." (Note to B: They're numbers. Not Santa Claus)

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    Byron said he has weekly analytics talks with assistants. Says he listens. Have any coaching decisions stemmed from those convos? "No."

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    Of analytics, particularly SportVU, Kupchak told ESPN 710, "it’s of most use to a coaching staff." But Byron Scott says it's of no use.

    He doesn't focus on analytics.
     
    LaVarBallsDad, Mar 8, 2015
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    It doesn't matter. it is my personal opinion that if the Lakers don't win at least 35 games next season, I would guess he's gone. And if they win more, he will have earned his spot
     
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    He's gone in 2 seasons. He'll coach Kobe's last year and the following season. The Lakers have a Team Option for his 4th year, and I would venture to say they won't pick up that option, IMO.
     
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    Byron is genius. He keeps the games close and engineers a collapse every fourth quarter. Time for you guys to stop hating and recognize. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
    ElginTheGreat, Mar 8, 2015
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    Can't wait til Byron's gone. His methods are archaic. Needs to get with the times.
     
    RasAlgethi, Mar 9, 2015
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    Doc Brown, Mar 9, 2015
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    Yeah, you can't judge Scott right now. nobody knows what really happens backstage.
    almost everylaker game is finished with Clarkson playing good, the players putting a fight and a last quarter free fall. it must be more than a quincedence. i'm happy with how things are going.

    Also who knows whats going on with Nick Young, but it looks like Scott is playing along some sort of a scam with him. "he can't play for a week, maybe 2, maybe 3...".
    so he is able to keep this guy, who can win games for us , off the basketball court, in kind of a gracefull way.

    To me it looks like Scott is sort of playing the dumb rule. coaching and developing young players like Clarkson, Kelly and Black while trying to make the team lose some games with the whole Young and Lin fiasco.
     
    ShowTime_IR, Mar 9, 2015
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    Sometimes I think that. Other times I just don't know when the lineups aren't as optimal for

    [​IMG] ING
     
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    I think some people are giving Byron way too much credit. Some times you just have to take things at face value.
     
    RasAlgethi, Mar 9, 2015
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    No, he really does not have a clue.
     
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    I still hope we can sign JLin back for around MLE-type money. His P&R can be effective coming off the bench.
     
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    A couple of things I said before the season was that I thought Nick Young might end up in Byron's doghouse. I also thought he wouldn't play the rookies enough, which was mostly true until injuries pretty much forced him to play Clarkson.

    A coach should play to his team's strengths. Lin's strength is the pick and roll. Rather than being so rigid and stubborn on whatever he's trying to run, he should try to cater to his player's strengths. When you have someone like Kobe, yea, you can pretty much have him run whatever system you want because he can pretty much do anything...but Kobe's a very rare breed. When it comes to Lin, running the pick and roll gives you the highest chance of success.

    About 15.6% of all plays were pick and rolls in 2006. 18.6% in 2009. Almost 22% in 2014. Every team is starting to use it more and more. Last season, Spurs and Heat were the only two teams to rank in the top 10 for pick and roll offense and defense, and unsurprisingly, they were the two teams in the NBA Finals.
     
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    As do I. The only problem I see with that is Kobe and Lin do not mix. But it would only be for one season, hopefully.
     
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    Yeah, but Lin should be running the second unit, and Kobe should be playing 24 a game, so they needn't be on the court together very much.
     
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    It's easier said than done, I know...
     
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    Yeah, Lin knows their playing styles do not mesh, but should he consider inking a long-term deal, Kobe's limited time as a teammate will ease the process.

    The bigger obstacle is Byron, apparently. He should stick to coaching and stop downplaying Lin's success. It seems like he just doesn't like Lin.
     
    tada, Mar 9, 2015
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    Well, if Byron sticks to coaching, it'd definitely help our tank pick up steam.
     
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