Anthony Davis Discussion: Only Player On Both All NBA + All Def

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  1. puffyusaf#2

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    Everyone knows we can get draft picks. I'm not sure how a generational player is "too much" for draft picks. We had to hit a homerun after the Magic Show went on its tour. Rob and crew were up against it a bit (they had a part too) but if they are banking that Bron and AD will get another high tier player you aren't worried about the current picks. Gamble? Yes. Huge gamble? Sure. But I ask, how many high picks have the Lakers turned to gold in the last 15-20 years?

    Yes, we gave up some talent that is for sure and we have made some head scratching moves BUT we have also hit big too. AD is a corner stone player, not projected, but true "check my stats" corner stone. I wouldn't be surprised to see another big name come this way. I'm actually optimistic that we land Kyrie or Klaw Champion. Could be pipe dreaming I know but... anything's poss.... oh hell naw not a green slime quote... Um... You get the point.
     
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    I can’t see Green and Seth taking $4MM per, unless you mean A.C. Green and Seth Rogan. That’s too wishful.
     
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    OK so now that we got all the info...

    basically, our picks given away ended up being:

    2019 1st
    2021 (conveys if 1-8, keep the pick if 9-30) OR 2022 unprotected 1st
    2023 pick swap
    2024 unprotected 1st OR 2025 unprotected 1st IF NOP defers the pick

    so basically, only 1 pick swap...and likely we will keep the 2021 1st, so it's essentially 2022-2025 where we'll feel the sting of these picks. Honestly, this isn't as bad as I initially thought...a lot hinges on who this 3rd superstar will be. If we're lucky enough to get Kawhi..none of this matters...as Kawhi/AD would rule the NBA for the next 5+ years even as LeBron ages into retirement. If that third guy si Butler or Kemba or Kyrie...it's a bit shakier but we'll sitll be good.

    I'm kinda thinking along the same lines sthough as others...if we can get Brogdon, Green, Lopez, Seth Curry and Ariza versus just one of Butler, Kyrie, Kemba? I'd take that for sure...solid depth around AD, LeBron and Kuzma. I'm excited either way...we're in such a good spot now.
     
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    Kawhi or Jimmy changes the equation, no?
     
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    Possibilities are endless now... Any more info on whether the Teams agreed to finalize the deal after Free Agency..?
     
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    Lakers have to go full throttle on Kawhi Leonard. Stars win in this league. GSW win the title if Durant doesnt get hurt.

    Question after that is, who plays PG if they dont bring Rondo back?
     
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    Anyone that can dribble, defend and shoot. Lebron becomes our PG when the game is close anyway.
     
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    If you give them 3 years I think they’d do it. Curry is earning 2.7m right now. 3 years guaranteed with a contending team, seems like a good option for him.

    You’re probably right with Danny Green, but then who expected Lopez to take a 4m contract this year? Maybe if you offer Green 18m over 3 years he considers it.
     
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    Kawhi and Jimmy Plan A and B. I’m just not so keen on Kyrie or Kemba...
     
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    Agreed. Kawhi and Jimmy are two way players. And they can shoot. Kyrie and Kemba are defensive liabilities.
     
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    Lakers will need to just get a crap load of shooters. They will have open looks all game long with Kawhi/Butler, Lebron and AD. I'm sure there will be plenty flocking to play with that team.
     
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    vasashi17 LB's Resident Capologist

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    Agreed...the picks don't look that bad. We still got our 2nd rounders (sans this summer and '21 from the Svi deal), so our scouts will still be able to do deep dives to find more win-now talent or passion projects.

    The picks won't mean that much if you get a superteam... And a superteam can't happen if we don't finalize the deal in August. If you nail this 3rd max player, barring catostrophic injury (see the dubs) the lost picks won't mean much.

    But only if you capitalize on the cap we have. f*** a contingency...3rd max or bust.
     
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    I don’t understand why people think the draft picks don’t matter. Lebron is 35 next year. He’s not a spring chicken. These unprotected picks will most likely be after Lebron is gone. If we don’t have someone other then AD on our team at the time, those unprotected picks are going to hurt. Teams are much less likely to sell/trade first round picks then they were in the past. If they do, they want something in return. Second round picks are easier to buy but of course usually not as good talent.
     
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    Oh Cook it matters...if we don't get that 3rd max guy.

    If we do tho...then f*** the kids and f*** the picks haha.

    I'll pour one out for LT with my last transgression...

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    my only (hopeful) rebuttal is that if we are wise in our cap management, we can time it to where if lebron breaks down/retires, we can have a max spot open to pair with the likely then-aging davis and perhaps another star.

    i think where the picks really hurt is that it will be very difficult to improve the team via trade when we don't control any picks, like, ever. also if we have three maxes. counting on waiver wire and bargain bin all the way. it's worked for other teams, though.
     
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    3. BI, Zo, and the #4 this year for AD, who is IMO, gold. ;)

    I don’t think it’s remotely possible to get all those guys with the money we have. Ariza got like 15 mil for 1 year last season. Brogdon would get around the same, Lopez would get room exception money, and I’ve read multiple tweets saying some team with money is going to pay Seth much more than we think. I think you could get probably Green, Ariza, maybe Lopez (but he seemed happy in Milwaukee) and that’s about it, then you have only vet min deals. Would I take those 3, or even like maybe 2 of those guys plus a Bogdanovic instead of Kyrie, Butler, or Kemba? No, personally I would not.

    I do think the conversation is still worth having and being debated though, if only because we saw Houston almost beat the Warriors 2 years ago with the 2 star model, and now the Warriors are out next season. Houston, Toronto, Portland, OKC, there are many teams that have 2 stars plus some depth, so it’s not out of the question we go that way, or if we strike out on a 3rd max guy that we aren’t still in good position to compete for a title with a solidly built roster around LeBron and AD. We know for sure punting cap space is over though, and I love that, we are all in with LeBron, AD, and the 3rd max guy or a nice roster of really good role players around them next season.

    It isn’t that they don’t matter, they do when trying to build with cheap talent. But we will have 2nd rounders that won’t be far off from the late 1sts we would have had and our scouting department is really damn good. It’s also only 2 picks, we will still have first rounders every other year, they just might be swapped with the Pelicans once or deferred if our picks are higher than theirs, which isn’t likely IMO. We will have to count on smart drafting with the 1sts we do keep, with our 2nds, and that ring chasers flock to us like they have to other top teams. I’m more optimistic about our chances than I have been in forever.
     
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    I'm just learning that not all bball ops folks were even privy to the final discussions. To avoid leaks, once Griffin got serious, and especially after the Bulls dropped out, things got quiet quickly because Pelinka and Griffin negotiated between themselves. Pelinka asked upper level management if they were okay with the extra picks to push the deal through in absence of a third team, and apparently Jeanie was okay but asked Kurt for the go ahead, which he enthusiastically gave.

    Now that things have settled, seems as though initially some internally were upset at the haul but now everyone is on the same page and excited to move forward into free agency. Consensus is that while LA gave up a lot, it won't matter if they contend the next few years, which is almost a given in their opinion.

    Business wise, AEG is more than pleased, for obvious reasons. AD promotions will be coming but the bulk will be delayed until post free agency. Instead focus is shifting entirely to free agency, and primarily trying to help the Lakers get either Kawhi or a point guard, as per the FO's request.

    Best,
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    Thanks man, great to hear everyone is on the same page, more or less.
     

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