Anthony Davis Discussion: Only Player On Both All NBA + All Def

Yeah. I think both are gone.

 

not a lot. and it's enough in this market. it wouldn't be enough had AD not a) demanded a trade and b) hurt the market by threatening not to stay in most places.

right. if the lakers think AD brings a third star, having kuz and hart beats having lonzo, just from a bodies standpoint.

yeah, i've sort of always accepted that both would need to go, plus the 4th pick. i'm not certain anything else *needs* to be added, but if that's what it takes to keep him out of boston, i'd have to just swallow it.

 

if its required by pelicans so be it but if its being done to have max cap space, than i think thats a dumb approach, keep 1 and cross that cap space bridge when we get there

 

I think the FA's that we can realistically get is Kawhi or Butler. Klay and Kemba have always said they'd like to remain with their teams. Kyrie is going to BKN or NYK with him signing with ROC nation. To me, the players beyond Hart on our team shouldn't be considered depth. Those players are borderline G-Leaguers. So it comes down to Lonzo or Kuzma + Hart, and I'm still taking Lonzo. Our realistic FA targets should be #1 Kawhi #2 Butler #3 Vucevic, and beyond those players I wouldn't give out max contracts, in which case we could keep Hart as well.

 

timing would be bad, as the draft would be over, so all we could get is future picks (can't take back salary), which are likely to be heavily protected and uncertain in their placement. but yeah, it's certainly possible. a team that struck out in FA would probably pony something up for lonzo--but would it be more valuable than say, the 6th overall pick this year? possibly, possibly not.

 

theres plenty of takers for BI, i.e. atl for one, sac being another that will miss out on fa and wont need to send back salaries

 

i think we're assuming it's us deciding on lonzo vs kuzma/hart. i think it's NO. i'm guessing they asked for kuz on top of the other three prime assets, and we said no, you can have three, and it's your choice which three. and i think this is part of why NO has been contacting teams dangling the lakers' assets. they're trying to see what will fetch them what they want.

 

i agree. it's why i said if we strike out on max guys this summer, we can still spend a lot of long-term cash if we want, as we can always move lonzo and BI into space. no problem. and pick up assets.

 

Don't capitulate to the volume of material in this thread...for all that is cap holy, please read me, Seymour.



That being said, there is a way to keep Zo AND get a max player AND trade for AD.

Waive JJ and make 32.5m in cap space for a max guy (we'll be short 200k from their true max, but close enough).

Agree to an AD deal with #4, BI, Kuz being the principles and you can't complete the deal till 30 days after you sign the 4th pick.

AD wants LA so he'll waive his trade kicker...so we need a minimum of 21.6m in outgoing salary.

The 4th (7.1m), BI (7.3m), Kuz (2m), Moe (2.1m), Hart (1.9m), Bonga (1.4m) = 21.8m in outgoing salary to officially complete the deal in August.

Under this scenario only, do we keep Zo while adding AD and a max player.

#CREAM

 

I will repeat it until it becomes reality..
Although I love BI & Kuz.. If we get AD + an All Star SG/SF in Free Agency, we want to keep Lonzo.

 

that's too complicated imo, can the Pels absorb that many players or can they waive some of them after?

 

This really feels like the writing is on the wall that something is going to go down soon ... much like it felt at the trade deadline.

Which means tomorrow we’re for sure getting a report that New Orleans has canvassed the league and determined that the #4 pick does not have the value to bring them the kind of all star they want and are pulling out of trade talks for now.

 

I see their perspective, as they're seeking the best package, but I've been posting my thoughts on this report:

 

Deals like this in the off-season happen all the time cause the roster is fluid and the cap isn't set yet.

All teams have a max of 15 roster spots + 2 spots for 2way players heading into the regular season. Till then they can load up their roster. But when the cuts start to happen...

Pels have 10 contracts of which 4 are non-guaranteed, Ja is a team option and Jules could opt out to be a free agent. If all them dudes still return, a 6 for 1 AD deal to spare Zo works as is, with Nawlins needing to waive just one of the 4 non-guaranteed contracts they have.

Also they have 2 second rounders, so if they decide to not keep them overseas, then again they can cut 3 of the 4 non-guaranteed contracts they have. Or just pawn one or both of them off to us

 

tatum part is hella funny, watch Cs fan start hating on him now

 

They have only played 2 seasons, not much a sample size. Davis has played 7 years. And you're right, bigs are more injury prone
thats why I dont' think giving all of the young guys for him is a great idea

 

Biggest issue is, the salaries have to match too & all of our guys are on minimum Rookie Deals.

It’s as much about making the $$ work as it is about talent.

 

zero defense