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i agree with me, too. problem is that i don't think those deals are available right now.

i'm guessing beal is off the table completely now. i wanted to trade for him before he blew up after wall's injury, but people said ingram was too much to offer. anyway, that one maybe was never possible. lillard will only be possible after portland gets easily dispatched (again) in the playoffs. so not now.

BUT those kinds of deals will be available again next year, and we don't have to pay any of the young guys just yet. so, if we miss out on davis now, we're not screwed, long-term (we ARE most certainly screwed this year--we're missing the playoffs without a big trade, imo). it's frustrating that a 10% chance at zion and a 5% chance at michael abdul tatum is what's holding this up.

and all that said, i'm not giving up on the davis deal until the buzzer sounds. even NO's fans (who have a right to be pissed and want laker blood) know that the offer they've refused is better than whatever will come in july. if teams want to keep cutting off their noses to spite their face when it comes to the lakers, there's nothing we can do. but we're still not sure they're doing that:

are we certain that the 4 1st round picks are in addition to everything else we've seen? maybe two are in place of ball, since he doesn't want to be there and they don't want to be in that spot (thanks, doofus--you should be glad someone wants your 40% ft-ing a**...but i digress...).

relatedly, are we certain that the 4 picks must be from the lakers? again, what if phx gives two 1sts for lonzo, which are re-routed to NO.

are we certain the latter two picks can't be ridiculously protected and thus likely to become second rounders (like the mavs did when they traded for nerlens noel recently--also pretty sure that was the situation with houston's pursuit of jimmy butler)?

finally, are we certain woj is getting/distributing good intel? as that kuffs character reminded us: woj told us demps wasn't taking calls basically while he was burning up the phone lines with magic.

anyway, ramona's pessimism is the thing that concerns me. but as stated above, it's not the end of the world; it's just the end of this season. we'll be in the mix for davis again in july, perhaps armed with kyrie in hand and a lower offer for NO.
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Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make. I'm starting to feel like we should pass on this deal and wait until summer.

I'm fairly confident that Boston is not going to offer Tatum and even IF they do...AD is still going to bounce from Boston if that deal goes down.

Also, if we wait until summer...we won't have to give up 4 future first round picks....it'll likely drop down to 1 or NONE...

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I mean, Demps is in a pickle here.

On one hand, if he trades AD to the Lakers, then most other GM's will probably be mad at him and won't deal with him for the near future.

On the other, he needs to also make it seem that he honor's his franchise player by showing loyalty to him and not sending him off to Siberia. If he doesn't, no future star is going to want to play or resign there if he just holds them captive.

He just needs to man the eff up and do what he wants. Look at past examples of packages for superstars and go off that. Kuz, Ingram or Lonzo, Zu and 2 1sts would already be a massive haul for them based off of what Indy got for George. Anything more than that would be disrespectul imo. Davis is now a Klutch client, meaning, he'll find his way here anyway, so Magic has the right to posture at any ridiculous counteroffer out there.

We've already seen how wrong BSPN, Woj, and pretty much every news outlet have been. Reports of Magic not even talking, then two days later, a report of Lakers bringing everything to the table the same two days ago. Woj calling Laker's packages "underwhelming" and urging the Pelicans to "wait" for Ainge at a "chance" at Tatum, who probably wouldn't be in a rental package. It's all a sham.
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demps has been undercut...again. he agreed to a good deal with the lakers...again. and the small market owners and boston prevented it...again.

demps already got to hear through the local beat writer that he's being fired in two months (all class, pelicans!).

it's not his choice to make. it's NO's ownership, whom i'm sure has been on the phone with ainge while their demoted gm was fake negotiating, again just like last time.

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Collusion?

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Enough with this BS...

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but here's the rub. this ideological stand will not prevent davis (or any future superstar) from forcing their way out of a crappily-run small market team (and NO is DEFINITELY that). it's not going to drive davis into the waiting hands of milwaukee, or sacramento, or whatever bumblef*** backwater franchise you represent. it's sending him to boston, ny, or the clippers (read: NOT f***ING YOU). so why? because you hate the lakers because they beat the blazers when you were nine? grow up, ninnies. you're making danny ainge the f***ing hero of your story. danny ainge! dude is a snake of the highest order, and all of this is just playing right into his hands.

so, good job. *golf clap* the only stand NO is making is upon their own grave. who reaps the benefits will have no impact on them or anyone else going forward.
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I couldn’t agree with you more. Nobody said a damn word when Kyrie demanded out of Cleveland and got traded to Boston. Nobody said a thing when clear tampering went on to get Chris Paul to Houston. Media hated on Jimmy Butler for being a bad teammate when he demanded out of Minny, but when the trade actually went down, and he went to a bigger market for.. Saric..and I can’t even remember what else, who said the Wolves should have taken a stand? This is only an issue because it’s the Lakers, and because it’s Klutch/LeBron. Same as PG was an issue, same as Kawhi was a villain for it being known that we were an acceptable destination for him.

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I mean, Demps is in a pickle here.

On one hand, if he trades AD to the Lakers, then most other GM's will probably be mad at him and won't deal with him for the near future.

On the other, he needs to also make it seem that he honor's his franchise player by showing loyalty to him and not sending him off to Siberia. If he doesn't, no future star is going to want to play or resign there if he just holds them captive.

He just needs to man the eff up and do what he wants. Look at past examples of packages for superstars and go off that. Kuz, Ingram or Lonzo, Zu and 2 1sts would already be a massive haul for them based off of what Indy got for George. Anything more than that would be disrespectul imo. Davis is now a Klutch client, meaning, he'll find his way here anyway, so Magic has the right to posture at any ridiculous counteroffer out there.

We've already seen how wrong BSPN, Woj, and pretty much every news outlet have been. Reports of Magic not even talking, then two days later, a report of Lakers bringing everything to the table the same two days ago. Woj calling Laker's packages "underwhelming" and urging the Pelicans to "wait" for Ainge at a "chance" at Tatum, who probably wouldn't be in a rental package. It's all a sham.
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The owner can override his decision though, I do feel sort off bad for Demps in this regard. He's gona get fired regardless this off-season and he doesn't want to be known as the guy who gave away a franchise player to the most hated team in the League lol

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Enough with this BS...

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Jeannie at the next owners meeting with Magic and Rob.

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abeer3 said: ↑

i agree with me, too. problem is that i don't think those deals are available right now.

i'm guessing beal is off the table completely now. i wanted to trade for him before he blew up after wall's injury, but people said ingram was too much to offer. anyway, that one maybe was never possible. lillard will only be possible after portland gets easily dispatched (again) in the playoffs. so not now.

BUT those kinds of deals will be available again next year, and we don't have to pay any of the young guys just yet. so, if we miss out on davis now, we're not screwed, long-term (we ARE most certainly screwed this year--we're missing the playoffs without a big trade, imo). it's frustrating that a 10% chance at zion and a 5% chance at michael abdul tatum is what's holding this up.

and all that said, i'm not giving up on the davis deal until the buzzer sounds. even NO's fans (who have a right to be pissed and want laker blood) know that the offer they've refused is better than whatever will come in july. if teams want to keep cutting off their noses to spite their face when it comes to the lakers, there's nothing we can do. but we're still not sure they're doing that:

are we certain that the 4 1st round picks are in addition to everything else we've seen? maybe two are in place of ball, since he doesn't want to be there and they don't want to be in that spot (thanks, doofus--you should be glad someone wants your 40% ft-ing a**...but i digress...).

relatedly, are we certain that the 4 picks must be from the lakers? again, what if phx gives two 1sts for lonzo, which are re-routed to NO.

are we certain the latter two picks can't be ridiculously protected and thus likely to become second rounders (like the mavs did when they traded for nerlens noel recently--also pretty sure that was the situation with houston's pursuit of jimmy butler)?

finally, are we certain woj is getting/distributing good intel? as that kuffs character reminded us: woj told us demps wasn't taking calls basically while he was burning up the phone lines with magic.

anyway, ramona's pessimism is the thing that concerns me. but as stated above, it's not the end of the world; it's just the end of this season. we'll be in the mix for davis again in july, perhaps armed with kyrie in hand and a lower offer for NO.
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I think this is part of it as well.

They know there is funny business going on, and they don't like it. As soon as AD signed with Klutch, everyone claimed ignorance, but we all knew the truth.

Well they don't like it, and this is their version of pushing back. Regardless of if it's good for them or not, this is their reaction.

They have a mega star in a super small market that is under contract for another 1 1/2 years, and they can offer him 40 million more than the next team, and he doesn't want them. How can they be fairly compensated for our "perceived meddling"?

They can cry foul all they want, but it's their own fault. It's their own ineptitude that caused this. They are trying to get a Herschel Walker trade out of this, and it just isn't going to work like that. "Ok, if you want him, basically give us all of your draft picks for the last 4 years, and 4 future 1st rounders."

LOLOLOLOL. Suck it. We have lots of options, but we are trying to do the right thing in giving them options. I guarantee you, in the spirit of doing business the way Maginca has been, they are looking for a win win scenario. They've done it for their free agents, restricted free agents, their trades, their released players, etc. They are going out of their way to provide good options. Who sends 5 scenarios up front? The goal was to create a dialogue to help us understand how to help you meet your goals in this "unfortunate circumstance".

Don't mistake kindness for weakness. Move on, and let them all suffer for their ignorance. Just watch the deal they get later. It will surely be a laugher.
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Good s*** here fellas!

So known CBag tool Mannix wrote this in his recent article:

But the C Bags remain quietly confident that they are on the same page with Irving, maintaining constant communication with the All-Star guard. “A partnership,” is how one source described the C Bags relationship with Irving, who has been frustrated—like many inside Boston’s locker room—by the uneven play this season but has been positive, publicly and privately, about the direction of the franchise. The root of his frustration, a former teammate of Irving’s told SI.com, could have little to do with Boston at all. Irving hates the narrative that other players (Kevin Durant in New York; Davis in Boston) can influence his decision, the ex-teammate said. He gets frustrated when he feels people are trying to manipulate him. In his mind, it doesn’t matter if it’s Davis or James—he’s going to do whatever he wants to do, and to assume otherwise is disrespectful.
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Hey dumbf***...Ainge is trying to manipulate Kyrie by believing that trading for AD will make Ky resign...your boy Woj said as much in nearly all his articles. "Disrespectful" much?

How tone deaf is Boston right now?

By the way, the Ramona report of LA being "pessimistic" that his deal won't get done now, is a great negotiating tactic. They are threatening to remove themselves from the discussion cause they're losing hope in it...Pels, your move now. You wanna call our bluff?

2 days left...

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Jeannie at the next owners meeting with Magic and Rob.

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Also Danny Ainge:

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Lol...so the "Kyrie doesn't want to be tied to AD/KD" story came from Chris Mannix? I should have known better...

Man...I just want Thursday to come and go...how fitting is it that we play Boston on Thursday too? And All Star draft is that same night isn't it?

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Also Danny Ainge:

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Rich Paul will be our Arya and handle him accordingly

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I'd give some serious consideration to "pulling" the offer. That achieves several goals. First, it tells the young guys they are off the market for now, and creates a better locker room culture. Second, it shows NOP that they overplayed their hand. NOP will still shop AD elsewhere, but they wont likely get as compelling of an offer, making ours look better. Third, no offer is really "off the table" anyway, it is symbolic mostly but shows NOP that a straight deal is no longer our main priority- we will wait to get AD later or will make a deal for another star.

That approach looks to salvage the locker room and the season, and still plan for the future.

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I'd give some serious consideration to "pulling" the offer. That achieves several goals. First, it tells the young guys they are off the market for now, and creates a better locker room culture. Second, it shows NOP that they overplayed their hand. NOP will still shop AD elsewhere, but they wont likely get as compelling of an offer, making ours look better. Third, no offer is really "off the table" anyway, it is symbolic mostly but shows NOP that a straight deal is no longer our main priority- we will wait to get AD later or will make a deal for another star.

That approach looks to salvage the locker room and the season, and still plan for the future.
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I'm sure we'll have our media outlets publish that Magic and Rob "walked away" or "pulled the offer" when in reality, they will probably keep negotiating until the end of the deadline.

It'll achieve everything above from the public eye, but will also let the Pelican's know that they still have the best package.

Meanwhile, ESPN will have articles stating how "Magic FAILED" and "Boston's package most likely BETTER". Just gotta manage expectations now. AD was an afterthought in the beginning of this season, we really didn't even think it was a possibility. We should just keep moving forward, get better, test free agency, then come back to the table.

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but here's the rub. this ideological stand will not prevent davis (or any future superstar) from forcing their way out of a crappily-run small market team (and NO is DEFINITELY that). it's not going to drive davis into the waiting hands of milwaukee, or sacramento, or whatever bumblef*** backwater franchise you represent. it's sending him to boston, ny, or the clippers (read: NOT f***ING YOU). so why? because you hate the lakers because they beat the blazers when you were nine? grow up, ninnies. you're making danny ainge the f***ing hero of your story. danny ainge! dude is a snake of the highest order, and all of this is just playing right into his hands.

so, good job. *golf clap* the only stand NO is making is upon their own grave. who reaps the benefits will have no impact on them or anyone else going forward.

edit: also, the swear filter cannot handle bumble*&^%. do i win something? ok...i'll edit myself...i'm annoyed today.
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No .... not "she" .... abeer just punched the small market collusion jet out of the sky.

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Lol...so the "Kyrie doesn't want to be tied to AD/KD" story came from Chris Mannix? I should have known better...

Man...I just want Thursday to come and go...how fitting is it that we play Boston on Thursday too? And All Star draft is that same night isn't it?
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This will be a "fun" game. We'll learn much about BI (Kuz is playing but injured, right?). I want him to go at Tatum will all he's got, no off plays, no slacking on D. Just step on his throat.

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Pelicants should've leaked 10 1st rd picks, that way no grey area, they dont want to deal with us PERIOD! lol

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let's trade lebron to NY, CLE, or PHX for their 1st round pick and try to get zion

pair zion with the young core and then go after a couple max FAs in the offseason

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The problem is that now our guys are pissed for being on the table.

Honestly that is going to be a huge problem later down the road.

Why should a guy like Kuzma be loyal to us?

I hate that people's names are thrown around. It becomes irreconcilable at some point. Terrible for these 21 year old guys.

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if this does drag into summer, which it probably will, it will be highly entertaining to see the Pels ask other teams for 4 first rounders, 4 second rounders and 80% of their rosters

my only concern now is the psyche of our young guys...a lot of bruised egos in that already broken locker room right now

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Am i the only one wondering about team's chemistry after this failed trade?
Our roster is "dificult" to put it mildly and now our young guys may feel betrayed. Drama, drama, drama... good luck Luke. Stash some of these brownies for later

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and adding more about the kids, you really cant count on them in the future...you think any of these kids are gonna want to stay once their free agencies arrive?

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