2025-26 Team Developments: Trades / Free Agents / News / Rumors / Ideas

shots against the front office aside, I actually am not worried right now. I think the opportunities are there for us to make a move. Clearly a lot of teams are wheeling and dealing and I do think an opportunity to make a move will present itself. We know where we need to improve and I think everyone is going to want to show the new owners what they can do.

 

Foh..refute anything I just posted smart guy.

 

Abeer's my guy. He does like to debate all of us though. lol

 

Lol.." We didn't have any assets"! It's not Rob's fault! Who blew the damn assets? Rob

 

And I love him for it! LT too!

 

You’re the one making unfounded claims as fact. The onus is on you to back it up.

 

pelinka certainly deserves blame for the westbrick debacle. anyone who says otherwise is just wrong. yes, it was lebron who wanted westbrick, but ultimately it's on pelinka and the FO to sign off on it

letting caruso walk and keeping THT is on pelinka and the FO as well. not sure why klutch would get the blame for that one

but rob's biggest crime is failing to bring in a solid big man since gasol in 2020. that one's just mindblowing

 

Such as?

 

"bobbing and weaving" = sticking to the actual substance of the conversation.

you don't know this, and if you did, you'd be providing examples. but you don't.

can't buy what's not being sold. nothing changes this.

not interested in this argument; take it to the rob thread. this is about getting centers and how easy it's supposed to be.

i know he went for less than what we traded for him. that probably means something. we'll find out over the next couple years. and i do think if he ends up really good, heads should roll, either rob's or the doctors who convinced rob to back out.

there we go! just took several requests.

i don't know who garrett is. if you mean jarrett allen, that occurred on january 14th, 2021. this is post-westbrook, so we may not have even had the contracts to match, much less the spare unprotected first (we were still paying heavily on AD at the time).

adams was moved for an expiring and three seconds. keep in mind that i believe he was out for the year at the time. do you think we could have afforded to trade for a player who was going to miss the year? i recall zero (0) people being interested in this, upset by it, etc.

mitchell robinson was drafted by ny. i actually believe we were hoping to take him in the second round that year, but they took him in the first.

gafford was traded to dallas a year and a half ago for an expiring and a 1st. can't remember if we had expirings (maybe not, actually). but yes, both you and i mentioned him prior to his being traded. so maybe that's an outside chance (though again, pretty sure we didn't have the right contracts).

you want nurkic? we can probably get him tomorrow! i don't.

we spent a ton of draft capital on AD. we only had swaps to offer back then, and not many of those (actually maybe none).

the fact is that getting your hands on a quality center has never actually been easy, and our roster has had other more glaring holes up until very recently.

what process? if you mean the mom and pop shop, then yes, it needed to have been over ten years ago.

and if westbrook was rob's, he wouldn't have a job, imo. jeanie not firing him for that is either admitting lebron/AD carried power or admitting she was in on it.

 

thanks; i was beginning to think i was hallucinating.

 

No. Still wiggling here. Let's address this, gave up all our assets, in the AD trade. I just specifically pointed out to you, how Rob whiffed on getting a PG, and a FRP. The season before he traded for Russ.We already know we had a FRP, because we traded for Westbrook with it. This gets compounded by him giving up a FRP, for Dennis in the previous season.

The conversation has different elements to it, that's usually how a conversation goes. My position is three fold, and it unfolds during the conversation.

1.Rob makes some poor decisions, which puts us in a bind. He broke up the chip team immediately after winning the title. He thought a washed up Gasol, and a 6'7 Trez equated quality bigs. He gave up a 1st rd pick for Dennis, and then let him walk for nothing. After being presented with an option to solve his PG issue, and recoup the FRP he gave up for Dennis. He chose Tucker over Caruso, and then traded him for Pat Bev, and let him walk. He made the Westbrook trade, Lebron and AD aren't the GM. He thought that he was covering for his Shroeder decision IMO.Hell I posted the article detailing how Westbrook, wasn't the only player that suggested. Derozan still claims that he got hoodwinked, and thought that he was heading to LA. He wiffed on picking up Kyrie for Westbrook too, I posted another in depth article, detailing how Rob never even seriously pursued Kyrie. He never made one single call to Irving's agent. That summer or during the season. He didn't want Irving. To his credit he flipped Russ for Tinkerbell and crew, and Bev for Momba. Then he let Bev, Momba and Beasley walk for nothing. Contracts that could have been flipped for something else. He took a 47M dollar expiring contract, three seasons ago, and turned it into Vando and Finney-Smith today. I mean damn, he gave up Tinkerbell and 100 2nd rd picks for FINNEY-SMITH. We gotta buy a 2nd rd pick today.

2. Rob doesn't value bigs, because he only makes plays for guards and wings. Through the draft, TPMLE, or trades. The AD trade, was already in motion when he took over. Trez, Lonnie Walker, Kendrick Nunn, Gabe, FA tpmle

Tucker, Max, JHS, the other kid we drafted with him, I can't even remember his name now. Knecht. All draft picks. Austin was undrafted.

We traded for Westbrook, Tinkerbell, Rui, Finney-Smith.

He never attempted to draft a big, sign a big other than a vet minimum, or pursue a trade specifically for a big. We had "discussions" that somehow never actually resulted in an offer being made. Tell me some of these offers then. List them. I'm still curious on this Williams deal, but we'll see how he looks in Phoenix.

This is just what we happened under Rob. I can't blame him one bit for the Luka trade, but he was practically given to us.

3. I question his judgment, and it comes out and colors, every comment I make about him. Yep..guilty as charged. I don't try to hide it at all either. A summary of why that's the case is stated above. For some reason, you want to jump right intto the, "we didn't have any assets" excuse, without examining how we got there in the first place.

Your last comment is once again, blaming everyone but Rob, for a decision that HE made. His job is to advise his owner on moves. He pitched it to her, and she accepted it. Because HE thought it was the right move to make.

Well..he did just trade up 10 spots in the 2nd rd. Maybe he's eyeing a big for a change. However I won't be shocked at all, if it's another guard or wing that he's targeting either.

 

I didn’t Was it linked in one of the threads here or do you have it please. That’s pretty shocking if true.

 

I like this move

Small, but might pay off if the guy they want is there

 

on AD. as anyone would have done and many wished they could have. is what it is.

again, not sure how this is explaining why we don't have a center today. it's just you airing previous greivances which have been mostly debunked in previous conversations (e.g., turner, kyrie, and other fantasies). it's like being mad that we didn't trade for jokic during rob's tenure. your previous post in which you actually named centers who had moved was as close as we've gotten to a real conversation about what kicked this off: a claim that a competent gm would conjure our straw into center gold RIGHT NOW!

traded for AD. traded for mark williams.

who are the good centers who went for the tpmle in these years (or any year)?

which are the good centers undrafted or taken after them? missi after knecht? but no way i take him over knecht at that time.

and AD and mark williams.

love it. if someone else got luka, there'd be a parade for them. if there was a gm for another franchise who signed lebron, traded for AD in his prime, won a ring, and traded for luka in his prime, there wouldn't be scree after scree about their incompetence.

traded for AD. then traded for westbrook. one great. the other terrible. when we finally recovered from russ, we traded for luka and needed to remake the team again. had we not traded for luka, i'm guessing we'd have bitten the bullet and overpaid for a vucevic type.

fact. but acting like he called up washington and asked for westbrook is willfully ignorant of VERY important other facts.

because that may be the best player available. again, who are the bigs taken in the second round in recent years who are killing it again?

 

The Lakers backed themselves into this. Not making the Mark Williams trade. The market is reset.

They just should’ve been prepared. I talked about this during the playoffs.

Ayton made sense.

but hey you have depth. The fact that we are talking about Horford is a joke. He can barely move. Definitely can’t play back to backs. But he’ll be the guy. Definitely not a lob threat.

I wanted to ply James Wiseman away.

You back yourself in a barrel when you say we need a Center we have to get a Center.

teams will jerk you around.

Reaves you wanna make moves okay. Trade Reaves for Allen.

if you can’t sit his a** here.

I would gauge a Reaves for Ayton Camara and throw in some trash like Vando or Vincent.


Or see what you can do about Capela. I’ve been saying Capela and Reed.

Lopez doesn’t have to wait for Gianiss to decide what he’s going to do looking at the Landscape of the league.

throw money at Lopez and see if he budges. Lopez with Luka playing with Luka can be a very good pick and roll.

 

I’m trying to get guys in here. Sign Ben Simmons. I’m not trying to wait on people.

all this Wiggins talk. The guy puts up decent numbers. Hachimura at this point is a better shooter scorer.

I don’t like that Hachimura Wiggins trade. If we can’t rely on Vando and Finney Smith for perimeter defense then why are they here????

 

i'm really not opposed. he can be what we wanted russ to be: backup guy who defends and plays with energy, can handle the ball.

 

On a team friendly contract