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  1. Slick2021

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    Rob should get on his knees, and beg Frank to join the staff. Then the boy genius he hired, wouldn't have to worry about the defensive scheme at all.
     
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    I know, but DFS is a 4. So he is a solid backup 4 for us. His DBPM at the 2/3 is probably equivalent to like a -1. imo. Vando could guard 1-5 at a high level, but his shooting is just too much of a hinderance at this point. It would be great if he could improve in that area.
     
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    No..use Vando correctly and sit Rui down, Austin too, if we get a decent 5. A whole lot of problems get solved. It's totally unnecessary to have 5 scorers/shooters in your starting lineup.

    This 5 interchangeable players fantasy that Rob seems to want....ain't gonna work.

    We like to talk defense, but we start Austin and Rui for thier offense.
     
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    Trading Austin and not getting another playmaker (not necessarily in the same deal) makes it very hard to trade him.

    Generally, NBA roles hierarchy imo:

    1. Playmaker

    2. 3 and D role player

    3. Big man

    Although 3 and D role players are the rarest, playmakers are the role that make the largest impact imo. So you hate to trade one that we have, though he's not perfect, without getting one to replace him. I think we could split the difference by trying to get one to develop, if AR is traded.

    Possible scenario:

    Draft night

    1. Trade Rui + Knecht to CLV for Allen

    2. Trade AR + Kleber + 2031 1st + #55 to BKN for Johnson + #19 + #26. Draft Niederhauser with #19 and Clayton with #26.
     
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    PG: Luka / Vincent / Bronny
    SG: NAW / Clayton / Goodwin
    SF: Johnson/ Vando / vet min
    PF: James / DFS
    C: Allen / Niederhauser / vet min

    You get a Derek Lively type back up center in Niederhauser and a possible star playmaking guard in Clayton.
     
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    Look at the playoffs, the teams with decent bigs win. Perhaps wing defenders are more impactful, with a quality big or two in the paint?

    You can't stop these high end perimeter players one on one. The very best perimeter defenders, are still going to get torched, without support from the bigs.

    The Knicks gave up 6 or 7 first rd picks for Anonuby and Bridges. Halliburton blows by Bridges with regularity, and Siakam has been eating Anonuby alive all series. Those guys were considered to be, the prototype perimeter defenders. It's not that simple, as just sticking them out there, thinking that their defense, is going to lock down good offensive players.
     
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    Yeah but idk if you could put like Reaves and Claxton side by side and say they are equal players. That is the tough part. Okay, how about Reaves + Kleber + 2031 1st to Brooklyn for Claxton + #19 + #26? Is that a fair trade? BTW, AR + Kleber for Murphey sounds like a fair trade for what the Lakers would probably want. 25 yrs old, 6-8 206, lights out volume shooter, neutral defender at worst. Was basically carrying them last season, so his defense digressed a bit. Also, reasonable, cost-controlled contract. I think that could be the Rooves deal.
     
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    I think when you look at the Lakers what is so unique about them. They have the best team you can have.

    Kinect is really key to this. He’s the perfect player to pair next to Luka. He’s a stand still shooter in the mold of Klay Thompson. More athletic than Klay. athletic like Mike Miller. I wouldn’t trade that. That’s the stand still shooter you need next to Luka. Ironically the Lakers never used him when they were lacking perimeter shooting vs. Minnesota.

    I would start Kinect next To Luka.

    And I would bring Reaves off the bench. This is a James Harden role Manu Ginobli role. Hes mature enough to handle it.

    Let Reaves run the whole second unit. Scoring facilitating handling the ball. He can be the Luka LeBron of the second unit. We don’t miss a beat when we go to our bench.

    with perimeter hungry defensive guards like Bronny James Reaves is needed. That leadership is needed.


    It’s something Reddick needs to look at. Having those three on the team together really helps. You can’t have enough shooting.

    would the Lakers be able to make a training camp invite to Jacob Wiseman??
     
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    I wouldn't trade Austin yet, the return isn't going to be as valuable, as it will be when he's making 30M. I don't want to trade Rui either, but I would sacrifice him, before Reaves for the right deal.
     
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    Yeah, i thin kwe under rated the kid big time. Hes a great shooter.
     
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    Um..Dalton Knecht isn't the key to jack bro. Lol..you guys keep talking about defense, while looking for more offense.
     
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    I just thought about the trade for Murphy and thought we already have that guy in DK.
     
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    I like Luka and I think Claxton is the ideal guy. When you talk about a lob Center in the mold of Derick Lively. Active around the rim. The key is what is it going to cost?

    I love Kinect because I love shooters. And you need shooters around LeBron. You need shooters around Luka.

    Who are our best pure shooters?????

    1. Luka

    2. Kinect

    3. Lebron

    4. Hachumiura

    5. Reeves

    6. Vincent

    7. Finney Smith.

    the kid fits a need for us.
     
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    We should have tried to trade up, for Ke' el Ware. Smh..especially since we went into the draft, claiming that we were looking for a big.
     
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    You are totally overrating Knecht right now.
     
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    We need to get two bigs ASAP. Rim running bigs who catch lobs and don't foul too much. That's why I'm thinking either Claxton or Allan + Yanic Konan Niederhauser. It would be a similar tandom to Gaffrod/Lively. So might as well do the trade with BKN and get it all done in one shot, since BKN has a bunch of picks, if they are willing to trade Claxton. If not, I feel like Rui/Knecht is an excellent return for CLV for Allen.
     
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    If we could get TWO lob-catching bigs out of it, who DONT foul a lot, I would be willing to trade AR. But, there are different variations we could do.

    Rui + DK to CLV for Allen, then Reaves + Kleber + 2031 1st + #55 for Johnson + #19 + #26. Cam Johnson is just fine as the third option. He scores in a different type of way than AR that is more compatible with Luka.

    PG: Doncic
    SG: NAW (0.4 DBPM/Shooter)
    SF: Johnson (0.0 DBPM/Shooter)
    PF: James
    C: Allen (rim-runner)

    Bench

    PG: Vincent/Bronny
    SG: Clayton (Shooter/Playmaker/Defender)/Goodwin
    SF: Vando (exceptional defender/potential improved shooter)
    PF: DFS (0.1 DBPM/Shooter)
    C: Niederhauser (Rim-Runner)/Vet min
     
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    This teams championship blueprint was built on shooting. You gotta have shooters.

    Robert Horry. Who I know was a great defender. But you need those guys who your main guys find on the perimeter.

    usually the guys we’re talking about acquiring we already have in house on the team.
     
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    Check out the scenario I put above. We get shooters who are also defenders and also the rim-running bigs that we need. As good as DK is, we dont know how long it will take him to get to 0.0 DBPM level defender. Could be next year, could be never. We know what Cam Johnson is already at this point, and we get NAW who is also 3 and D, and the Clayton kid who is also 3 and D.
     
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    Hey if you can Allen for Rui Kinect I’m all for it. Make that trade.
     

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