2022-23 Team Developments: News / Trades / Free Agents / Rumors

Holy crap Batracha! I also pictured him as around 32-34 … thought he was much older but he just turned 30 at the end of Oct. Sounds too good to be true. Let me guess, he’s a turnstile on defense?

 

Lol why do people think NY will take Nunn/PatBev and seconds for Reddish and Fournier? Where's the fire sale? NY is in 9th, in the play-in and one spot out of the playoffs, doing better than we are and they want our worst players for contributors on their team to lose 1 year off Fourier's deal? Am I missing something? If Dolan wanted to blow it up he'd be looking to move Randle first.

 

Davis Bros part deux The plan is to clone him. After that, we won't need Bron. Maybe between the two of them, we would get 82 games and we would be alright.

 

Man get outta here with that "worse players" crap. There have been many times where good players were traded for crap plus picks. Now we are not gonnna give up a 1st for those players but this is Tom Thibodeau who only plays 7 players during the regualr season and if you're out of his rotation then might as well be a player like Nunn but let's not forget that before his injury he was averaging 15/3 on 38% from 3 in his time in Miami. Maybe a change of scenery brings his numbers up or Thibs just leaves him out of the rotation which is no different then having Reddish and Fournier on his team the difference is you get rid of FOurnier's awful terrible contract.

 

Hey I couldn't give 2 f***s for what he gave Miami only what he's giving now and it isn't anything. You can take your Miami stats to the bank all you want, they won't add up much here. I had high hopes for the kid but this is a "what have you done for me lately" league so you can take your old stats and get the ef out of here with that too. Man.

 

Ah ok, but that was a 3-team talk so no idea who's coming in to the Knicks.

 

I wouldn’t see it as a “blow up” move by the Knicks. Reddish and Fournier are no longer part of their rotation. I wouldn’t classify them as “contributors” from the Knicks point of view.

Nobody is giving up valuable assets or rotation quality players for someone owed $18 million next year in Fournier. He is definitely a negative value asset right now. They’ve been rumored to be trying to flip Reddish since they got him, and clearly there are no takers. By himself he probably fetches more than a second rounder (although even that’s not a sure thing IMO), but I do think the Knicks would take a hit on their return for Reddish if it means they get to shave $18 million of dead money off their books next year.

 

I’m with Weezy. If we are helping out NY, by taking Fournier’s big contract, along with another player in Reddish who isn’t playing, we should be asking for a First coming back our way.

 

Fournier's contract isn't that bad. Next season is the last year on his deal. There are not really any good free agents, and we don't have the max slot anyway. Might as well fill that salary cap space for 2023-2024 with players that could help us now. The opportunity cost is much higher if we do not improve the team now vs. creating cap room for 2023-2024. We probably would not be able to get a first back. Maybe a second or two would be good. But no picks going out on our end for sure. Also, getting rid of Jones in the deal is a benefit in and of itself. That aspect of the deal essentially makes Fournier's 2023-2024 contract a bit more tolerable. With the subtraction of Jones, you can theoretically look at Fournier's 2023-2024 salary as 16.3 instead of his actual 18.9 million, which is a a 14% reduction. In addition, the Lakers create an extra roster spot for 2023-2024 for a more helpful player than Jones.

 

I get why in general trading our expiring contracts (who are currently useless for us on the court) for someone with only one additional year on their deal isn’t that bad, if we think that player can be relatively productive for us. I guess the thought process is that there aren’t really that many attractive free agents on the horizon, so rather flip our expirings into some useful players than trying to go the cap space route.

That is for example why I could definitely talk myself into Bogdanovic or Hield.

But Fournier? I’m not sure I have as much faith that he’d bounce back into a useful player for us. Someone who is currently out of the rotation in NYK, I think it’s too risky to eat $18 million of our upcoming cap space for.

One of the key reasons being, I think we need to consider the opportunity cost of blowing away our cap space. It’s not even about some desperate attempt to open a max slot and swing for the fences. I just want to start building some continuity and keep some of the young guys that are showing promise, see how they develop. If buying low on Fournier ends up being a bust AND his contract restricts us from being able to retain Walker, Reaves, Brown, etc it’d be a colossal mistake.

 

Hield and Bogdanovic would be good too. They might cost a pick though. That's sort of the difference. There are several players that we have been linked to that happen to be having a bad season in terms of three-point shooting percentage. Beal, Rozier, Trent, and Kuzma all shooting in the low 30's. I know, nothing new for Kuz, but the other three are having career lows. I wouldn't rule them out because of that.

 

Agree. I would probably ask for 2 picks actually. I mean, we are helping them by getting guys who aren't playing, but we are sending Bev, Nunn and maybe Jones who are key contributors and we all want to see on the floor.
If those guys are not worth at least a pick, I'm blaming Rob

 

feel like he's the same age as those guys and has been the same player as hield over the course of their careers. he didn't have a major injury (like bogdanovic DID), so i'd actually feel ok betting that his anomalous shooting is, in fact, anomalous.

there is some opportunity cost. though not in the way you're saying, as we can't open a max slot under any circumstance. well, i guess we could trade lebron or AD.

his contract can't do that. if anything, bringing on a fournier-level contract makes it more likely we use our cap space more judiciously (we wouldn't have enough cash to overpay, say, draymond green), and still leaves options to either operate over the cap (which is what i want) or to use space to retain the guys you mention.

the real reason to gamble is if you believe that reddish (and his bird rights, btw) could still blossom into an impactful nba player. i think he can.

i could expand more on the cap ramifications, but if this exact deal (including jones on our end and reddish on theirs with no outgoing picks or just a 2nd) came available, it's something i'd like to do.

the only real downside to me is it hurts leverage in russ trades once we spend the other expirings. again, could expand.

 

Yeah. This is how I see the whole thing. I’ve come around on Fournier a bit too.