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don't care about Lebron's career avg. He's shot over 36% from three in 4 out of the last 6 seasons, including the last 2.

Lonnie Walker has only been in the NBA for 4 seasons. He shot 38, 40 and 35 percent in his first 3 seasons. That kid is 23 years old. He most definitely is capable of being closer to his first three years here, because he's going to get a ton of open looks, unlike in San Antonio.

Yeah Beverley changed teams during the season, and only shot 34% in Minnesota, but he was shooting 40% with the Clippers before he got traded last year. He's been close to 40% from three since 2015.

Thomas Bryant is 24 years old..he shot 40% from 3 in 2019 and was at 43 % before he got hurt in the next season. He played 27 games last season coming off of injury and shot 28% . That isn't some kind of definitive proof that he won't get back to where he was heading before his injury. He's got to get a lot of open looks here too.

Brown is 23 years old and he shot 35% from 3 last season. Why is he automatically supposed to regress? He's going to more open looks here than he ever got in Detroit.

Nunn didn't play, I most definitely don't expect the case this season. And he's still 36% from 3 for his career.

Even JTA played 20 minutes a game in 2020 and shot 40% from 3 in Golden State. He didn't play as much last season and his numbers dropped to 32% that again isn't some kind of smoking gun that he can't return to around 40% either.

You just cherry picked some stats, in order to try and prove a point. The entire picture is much different than you portrayed it.

We don't need a bunch of 3 point shooters. AD is effective without hitting them all. FOH with that below average jazz..I don't think it's going to be a problem at all.

Yep..season starts on October 18th..we are going to see who's embarrassing themselves about a month in. I'm good with everything I posted.

 

Stick it is obvious to EVERYONE that you are the one cherry picking....

Actually putting their career shooting numbers and following it up with what they have done recently is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF THAT

You are just digging that hole deeper.....

It will be a damn meteor crater by the time you come back here in Mid-November....

 

don't care about Lebron's career avg. He's shot over 36% from three in 4 out of the last 6 seasons, including the last 2.

Lonnie Walker has only been in the NBA for 4 seasons. He shot 38, 40 and 35 percent in his first 3 seasons. That kid is 23 years old. He most definitely is capable of being closer to his first three years here, because he's going to get a ton of open looks, unlike in San Antonio.

Yeah Beverley changed teams during the season, and only shot 34% in Minnesota, but he was shooting 40% with the Clippers before he got traded last year. He's been close to 40% from three since 2015.

Thomas Bryant is 24 years old..he shot 40% from 3 in 2019 and was at 43 % before he got hurt in the next season. He played 27 games last season coming off of injury and shot 28% . That isn't some kind of definitive proof that he won't get back to where he was heading before his injury. He's got to get a lot of open looks here too.

Brown is 23 years old and he shot 35% from 3 last season. Why is he automatically supposed to regress? He's going to more open looks here than he ever got in Detroit.

Nunn didn't play, I most definitely don't expect the case this season. And he's still 36% from 3 for his career.

Even JTA played 20 minutes a game in 2020 and shot 40% from 3 in Golden State. He didn't play as much last season and his numbers dropped to 32% that again isn't some kind of smoking gun that he can't return to around 40% either.

You just cherry picked some stats, in order to try and prove a point. The entire picture is much different than you portrayed it.

We don't need a bunch of 3 point shooters. AD is effective without hitting them all. FOH with that below average jazz..I don't think it's going to be a problem at all.

Yep..season starts on October 18th..we are going to see who's embarrassing themselves about a month in. I'm good with everything I posted.

 

Who the f*** cares about career avg when they didn't even play? Some of these guys are kids with under 5 years in the league..They can't up their game?

I posted it both ways..A couple guys shot worse last season than they did prior. Does this mean that only last season counts? Other guys shot better, who says they are supposed to shoot worse?

We will find out..I'll be here, the games are going to speak for themselves. You haven't posted anything,to change my opinion in the least. October 18th isn't far away.

 

No, wrong again. Davis has shot roughly 25% since that remarkable season lol

Yes, Beverly is the lone good shooter we have on our team among our role players, even though he did shoot a career low 34% last season....not sure why you mentioned him.

Um, if less than 2 makes a game isn't a big deal.....

Beverley has made OVER 2 a season ONCE in his career (hahahaha) (career 1.6 per game)
Westbrook also has done it only ONCE in his career (career 1.1 per game)
Walker has fallen short also (1.2 for his career- btw it was a whopping 0.7 in that 40% year you keep referring to)

2019-20 was the ONLY season Davis made over 1 per game (1.2) much less two.

Troy Brown, Juan Toscano-Anderson and Thomas Byrant? Nope, they have never averaged one....

Sorry, our team doesn't even remotely compare to the volume or accuracy of the 2020 team....

 

Actually I have already embarrassed you and pointed out where you "didnt post it both ways"...you "cherry picked" what made the argument look better for you....

When will you be here again?

 

.... meteor crater smack!

 

Thats correct we actually only need to be under the tax as opposed to the cap to avoid it but it seems like Rob is aiming at the cap, not sure why

 

Oooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

 

Davis hasn't played much since then..that's not some grand point. I'm not looking for AD to shoot a lot of 3's in the first place. Westbrook doesn’t need to shoot 3's either, but he only avg 3 attempt a game.

These other guys are going to play, and so obviously their attempts are going to go up. Like I said they will get the best looks of their careers playing here. They have all shot better than league average. You are just making noise. You might want to see them actually play before declaring who can't do what.

 

Embarrassed me how? WTF are you talking about? I posted guys career avg and their recent season. James has been in the league almost 20 years, his last 6 season are more relevant than his career numbers. I posted all the young guys numbers too. Cherry picking huh?

Whatever... don't worry I'll be here, I'm here everyday, I don't hide..Hopefully I've given you all the bulletin board material that you think you need.

 

Here is your ORIGINAL message in response to me saying we had a roster full of below average shooters...

Bolded is where you cherry picked, and this is how:

You only talked about (aka cherry picked) James 36% the last two seasons BECAUSE IT BENEFITED YOU and instead ignored his 34.9% career clip.
You talked about Nunn's career 36% but completely omitted the fact that he didn't even play last season more the fact that he is likely the 6th guard for minutes now (after James, Westbrook, Beverly, Reaves and Walker)
You talked about JTA's career 36% BECAUSE IT BENEFITED YOU instead of his 32% clip last season
You talked about Brown completely opposite, speaking of his 35% last season BECAUSE IT BENEFITED YOU instead of his career 33%
You talked about Bryant's 40% shooting in Washington BECAUSE IT BENEFITED YOU instead of his career 35% or his actual 36% mark in Washington
You talked about Beverley's career mark of 38% BECAUSE IT BENEFITED YOU instead of his more recent career worse 34% last season
You talked about Westbrook "only averaging 3 attempts per game" BECAUSE IT BENEFITED YOU even though for his career he has averaged closer to 4 (3.7) and last season (3.4) was the only time in the last 10 seasons he averaged less than 3.7.

Then you doubled down and said you would take 1 out of 3 (even though it is way closer to 4) and anyone who knows math, knows that is 33%...

Russell Westbrook has had a season of 33% once in his entire career (you know the year he won the scoring title at 31.6ppg and hoisted the damn rock two dozen times a night, including over 7 from distance).

You picked cherries in a few other following comments (like Walkers' 40% clip season where he played a meager 16 minutes a night, etc) but there is enough in the paragraph alone to feed an army and make Warrant happy....

When does the season start again?

 

Double OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

 

If we trade for Conley, cutting him next year is a fail. You’d have 14m in dead cap space (that’s like 2 mMLE level players in dead space). That’s a bad outcome and saying that you’re saving the 10m that’s unguaranteed doesn’t make it any better.

If we cut Conley mid season, we won’t have anyone to spend the 10m on. So that’s not a good option.

If we don’t cut him - we’re up for the full amount as a cap hold and build out our roster with that cap hold taking up the full 24m. This is what I was assuming Alcindor was talking about since he had him in the roster in his post.

So I feel like you’re arguing a strange point, it doesn’t really make any sense: “if we cut him we save 10m”… while we have 14m in dead cap space.

 

Again WTF does career avg have to with anything? He shot 34% in the chip season and lead the team with 2.2 makes. So cherry picking is pointing out that he's shot better from 3 in the last two seasons than he did in the bubble. BS.

Nunn didn't play at all. How in the hell does that mean he won't shoot his career avg when he does play? BS.

Bryant shot 10% and 33% in his first two seasons. They count in his career avg. He's only played 5 seasons and two of those were 10 and 15 games total. He did however shoot 40% before he was injured. That's more BS.

Beverley shoots a career 38% like I said he dipped in Minnesota after getting traded, but he was shooting 40% with Clippers before the trade. So he's supposed to mimic Minnesota, not the Clippers and his career avg? More BS.

I don't care what Russ did before he got here. He only attempted 3 attempts a game here. Yep 1 out of 3 is 33%. And guess what?

Kuz shot 31% on the chip team. Rondo shot 32% ,Caruso 33%, Davis 33%,Morris shot 33% before we picked him up, That team still had the best record in the NBA when play stopped. Yeah Kcp shot 38% Green 37 and Bradley 36% that's not some team full of sharp shooters by any stretch.

What does Walker's minutes have to do with it? Again we have shooting all ready comparable to the chip team. These guys have to play and live up to the numbers I posted and we'll be just fine. On one hand with you it's the career numbers, then it's the last season. Whichever one is worse right? FOH dude.

You posted a bunch of BS because it benefited You. Lol..you didn't make all these killer points that you think you did at all. Pat yourself on the back..basically we can win a chip with a bunch of below average 3pt shooters, and a couple of guys around 36%, 37 % and one 38%. I think we can match that.

I look forward to seeing you around this season. I'll definitely be checking for you.

 

i'm arguing that you had your facts wrong re: cap hits.

whether it matters in context isn't at issue.

if we traded russ for durant and durant tore his achilles again, that's a bad outcome. but his contract being half-guaranteed is better than full guarantee. and counting half against the cap versus fully matters.

i'm not sure why you can't just say: i was wrong about how cap hits with partial guarantees works, but i still don't want to trade for conley. fine. i disagree (conley >> russ), but fine. but suggesting that his cap hit next year is 25 mil regardless simply isn't factually accurate.

i'm 99% certain we're planning to operate over the cap in any situation, but having conley instead of say, gordon hayward, has its benefits.

 

Am I missing something here or do I have something caught in translation?

I’m not sure if you’ve done your research abeer? Conley’s cap hit is 24m next year. His contract is partially guaranteed at 14m and becomes fully guaranteed 48 hours after the draft.

The only scenario where we have 14m against our cap is if we cut him before the draft. How in anyway is that a good scenario? And secondly I’m pretty sure this isn’t what Alcindor meant since he was counting him in the roster. So if we keep him on the roster it’s a 24m cap hit.

I’m not to proud to say if I’m wrong, but I don’t see what I’m missing or how I was wrong? If you’re argument is the cap hit is only 14m if we cut him, then that is a lousy argument.

 

again, i saw your point and it indicated that regardless of where conley was, we were paying him 25. i quoted it again to make that clear.

i'm trying to make sure everyone knows how cap hits work, not interject in whatever you and alcindor were arguing. that sentence was incorrect and could lead others to operate on faulty assumptions in discussions--such as the one you were trying to correct, ironically?

alcindor was wrong if he thought we could keep conley at 25 per with a 14 cap hit, but you were wrong in saying that cutting conley couldn't help us, cap-wise. it's an important point for other discussions that might occur. 10 million is 10 million. you hope you're not in that situation, but it matters.

edit: and i really am not trying to pick a fight, just making sure we all know what partial guarantees are (and aren't). you're one of my favorite posters, and i was worried your word on that might influence other discussions.

 

Ok I understand.

To clarify my point; at the beginning of a season when you’re signing free agents, the cap hold on any contract is the full amount even if the deal is only partially guaranteed. However, if you go cut that player before the season starts (or before his full guarantee occurs) then the cap hit is only the partially guaranteed amount.

So we can’t do both; keep Conley and only have a cap hit of 14m. Which it seemed was what was being alluded to.

Maybe I worded my initial post wrong, and didn’t allow for the 1% situations where we trade for Conley, he tears an Achilles and we cut him (although I believe his contract would be covered by insurance and we’d get an injured player exemption anyway).

So the only way I see us cutting Conley is if we trade for him and he is terrible. Hence why I thought if that’s what your point was; it wasn’t a good argument.

 

Haha. Do you have any originality at all? I see you copied my style completely, even bolding the same words lol

The reason career average matters more than just cherry picking a season is obvious, because it is an ENTIRE BODY OF WORK. The reason more recent numbers are more important similarly is common sense, it gives a better understanding whether a player is improving or not in the area, especially if you do it over a multi-year period.

Yes it is cherry picking when you omit COLLECTIVELY you argument to where it ONLY benefits you. Not singularly (like the James reference) but COLLECTIVELY. You know this which is exactly why you did it lol.

Good to see in one of your last paragraphs though that you admitted we had a bunch of below average 3pt shooters (which was ironic since I thought this was what you were arguing against???), only your conclusion is wrong. We can't win a chip, especially if Westbrick is on the team getting 30 minutes a night as he is the WORSE volume 3pt shooter in the NBA.

That is something you obviously miss when you are feeling all giddy about our current roster.

You mention Nunn for instance. Arguably our 2nd best 3pt shooter. How many minutes do you think he is going to get with RW and Beverley along with LeBron taking up the PG minutes and both Reaves and Walker and perhaps JTA taking up the SG minutes???

That 2020 team that had much better shooters had all three of KCP, Bradley and Green in the top 6 of minutes. How many minutes is your Bryant, Brown, TJA going to get?????

Couple that with AD not even remotely showing the same volume or consistency from 3 since the bubble year.

Ya, you are in for a rude awakening to be sure....

If the Lakers want even a remote chance to contend this season they absolutely have to get at least one more good volume shooter and subtract Westbrook from the team all together....period