2022-23 Team Developments: News / Trades / Free Agents / Rumors

Well said. This is pretty much exactly how I see things from their point of view.

 

The deals other teams get away with frustrate me. Lol. The 76ers have nothing to really offer but will still be discussed as a viable trade partner. It's wild.

 

This off-season is giving me an angina I don’t know why I bother checking transactions

 

From Stein on KD

That's a pair of brass ones right there. Not many people demand a trade and get $10m the next day.

I suspected this was his angle.

 

The Nets owner is a neophyte and has blundered this whole situation IMO. They have been publicizing things that should have been kept in house for a long time. To what end? You are either going to trade these guys or you aren't. Voicing your gripes publicly, or leaking s*** about them, doesn't enhance their trade value or encourage them to "act right" either. I just don't see anyway that you can move forward, with these guys as the foundations of your team. Trade them and be done with it already.

 

There's definitely been too many leaks. I get making it clear you aren't going to fire the staff, but the way they've leaked offers and stuff was a mistake in my opinion.

 

Good point that the Nets have such a solid roster already that they would probably remain competitive even if they essentially sent out Kyrie just for future picks.

But when I look at that depth chart, I can’t help but think that it would benefit so much from another elite shot creator. I.e, if you add Kyrie to that mix you go from a competitive team to a really good team.

I think it really all boils down to how the Nets FO feel about Kyrie behind the scenes.

Very possible that relationship is damaged beyond repair and Tsai wants nothing to do with Kyrie anymore because they think he’d damage the team culture more than the value he brings to the court. Also very possible that the strain between Kyrie and the FO is overblown and they have reason to think he’ll be more dependable now that there is no vaccine mandate.

My gut tells me the situation is closer to the former and that the Nets are indeed ready to move on from him, but I think they have enough leverage to legitimately threaten to just keep him into the season if the Lakers tried to nickle and dime them by only offering one pick or demanding heavy protections.

 

The Nets don't have much leverage at all. They've done a great job of portraying Irving as a difficult problem child. They shouldn't be surprised that they aren’t getting a bunch of offers for him. The only pushback Kyrie's agent(stepmother) made was a pretty weak " Kyrie doesn’t hate anybody, that's not his persona". She could have easily said that Kyrie fully supports Nash and Marks. She didn't say that at all. It should be noted that she actually refused to comment on whether he wanted them fired too. She simply responded to the comments about him hating them.
Then there is this latest rumor about Kyrie not wanting to play in back to backs, and only 60 games total in his contract.

Lol..I'm not sure who wanted that put out there, seems more like the Nets illustrating how difficult he is to me. That marriage can't be reconciled IMO.

 

if kyrie was more reliable, i'd agree with hell jumper. but he's just not. i advocated hard that we move serious assets for paul george when he asked out of indy and they were squeezing us. i was worried he'd get moved elsewhere and then not sign here the following summer. and that's exactly what happened. i'm less worried about that with kyrie because he's been such a distraction for the past 4-5 years.

still feel like if they want players, we can use russ and a couple firsts to get that from a third team (but that team gets the picks). if they want picks, they can have ours and russ's expiring (which they can deal again at the deadline if they want).

in the end, we're limited with what we can even offer, which i think is being underplayed. i've felt the whole time that it was less about us holding back on a kyrie deal and more about the nets just telling us we don't have what they want in any circumstance. so ok. let stuff play out.

 

Again, why are we believing reports from certified clowns?

Kyrie is already denying the Bucher report.



And I would tend to believe that Bucher is full of crap, considering he just also reported about Ben Simmons “leaving the Nets group chat in the middle of the playoffs”, which then immediately got shut down by Shams.

Why would the Nets leak reports with the intention of demonstrating that the “marriage can’t be reconciled”? It’s more likely that Bucher is just making up stuff for clicks.

The lack of other offers for Kyrie right now does NOT mean the Nets just have to accept whatever offer the Lakers want. Again the alternative of starting the season with Kyrie is not as bad for the Nets as some of you think. I think the Nets would be more comfortable going to training camp with Kyrie than we would be going into training camp with Russ.

I think a big part of Kyrie’s current perceived lack of value is moreso because the recent image other teams have of him is as someone who doesn’t play. Now that the vaccine mandate has lifted, once they start the season if teams see Kyrie being Kyrie on a regular basis, I think his value goes up. It would not surprise me at all if the team that misses out on the KD sweepstakes ends up being willing to take a gamble on Kyrie. I could definitely see Miami going after him if they think they’re in an arms race with Boston.

 

I think we’re actually somewhat in agreement then?

We can argue about whether the Nets are justified in their belief that our best offer isn’t good enough. We can argue about whether or not we even should offer our best package.

But my overall point is that from the Nets perspective, our package is probably not appealing enough to pull the trigger. And therefore we as Laker fans shouldn’t expect that movement on the KD trade front necessarily means we’d get Kyrie soon after.

 

Ok so we're now down to offer both 2027 and 2029 picks...why the hell hasn't this deal happened then?

Russ + 2 picks is probably the best offer they can hope for with Kyrie before they lose him next summer...

Frustrating man...this has held up our entire summer. Get this fricking deal done

 

Like I said..his agent could have refuted that by simply saying that it wasn't true and he did support Nash and Marks. She refused to comment on that part. The kid himself said that he didn't think they really needed a coach at all lol, and he and KD should be a part of making roster decisions. Those are public comments made on camera.

KD wants out, Kyrie will soon follow. The problem with the what's best for the Nets angle, in regards to Kyrie is that Irving, has to want to play at the trading destination in the first place. If he doesn't, nobody is trading anything for him. That part means a lot more than what's theoretically in the Nets best interests. Boston had the best package for AD too.

 

No we have not offered both draft picks, the rumor originated from Johan Buva and it was speculation in a twitter spaces the other day. The fact is we may eventually offer both picks but Kyrie is a crazy man and to offer picks/swaps/players is an over pay for a player no one in the league wants. We are bidding against ourselves and when that happens you be patient and put up an offer and see if they come back with another offer.

 

I don't know what we have offered. I'm having some credibility concerns with all these media " insiders" these days. I thought the Donovan Mitchell trade was supposedly a done deal too. I guess these guys have about as much "inside information " as you can gather from this forum.

 

The insiders have conflicts of interest based on various business relationships. Gotta take everything with a grain of salt and really consider who benefits from the angle the story presents.

 

With the new cycles being so full of fake news everywhere you turn, I guess I’m content just waiting for something legit to actually have happened, and pretty much don’t care in the meantime

i’ve just grown tired of all of the drama surrounding LeBron in the whole circus he creates with massive roster turnover every year trying to appease him

it gets old. Ready to move on already. I get that we’re not getting rid of him, but it doesn’t mean I have to enjoy the journey

 

Like a poke in the eye with a sharp stick

 

don't agree there. he's been unavailable for a litany of reasons even prior to covid. he's just completely unreliable. if he didn't come as a package deal with durant, i actually wonder how his FA would have played out.