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    That moron Brian Windhorse said that, right?
     
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    The thing is that you can't go over the hard cap amount period. IE Golden State couldn't do a sign and trade or Brooklyn either, because their payroll was already over 138 million. The way I understand it is that you can go over the cap as far as you want, as long as you are not hard capped.
     
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    Ramona said it on social media citing sources
     
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    Yeah and it was parroted by most of the talking heads on the Sports shows.
     
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    I think this kills a sign and trade with Dennis. https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06... at any time for the rest of that league year.

    Since we are already at 122 million in salary, a S&T with Dennis means that we can't really sign anyone else, including our other free agents. Trez would have to opt out, and we trade Kuz and KCP for less than their current contracts. That would be all the wiggle room we would have left to fill out the roster. On the flipside, we could resign Dennis, Caruso, Tucker and anyone else on the roster to whatever amount we like, and use them to trade for other players after December 15.
     
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    Good article. But I think it can be done, but it would have to be done last in a sequence of FA dealings. In other words, make an agreement in principle to S&T, then sign all your FAs, then complete the S&T. Of course, the GM would have to be willing to be hard capped for that year. Not easy to pull off.
     
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    this kind of stuff happens a lot, but you still butt up against the hard cap at about 142 if you so S&T.

    so yes, it would be better if we could just sign dennis and keep him (i could see a large one-year deal, tbh).

    now, if trez opts out--i think it's likely--we're down to 111 or so. now, you sign AC and THT at around 8 per to put you at around 127, leaving about 15 million that you could bring in on a schroder S&T. but you don't have the MLE.

    more i think about it, the less likely a schroder S&T becomes. we either sign him to a short deal (at big money, like near what he was asking for the 4 years, but for 1, kcp style) or let him walk. this preserves the MLE and allows us to pay AC and THT.

    btw, this is the price we paid for having to strip the roster down to the studs in the first place. if you acquire all your stars via trade, you have more salaries around to move. ours are all currently concentrated, and the league rules don't allow you to just blow through the lux tax anymore.
     
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    Yeah having super stars cost, in a perfect world, you want a guy that way out performs his contract. Eventually though, he is going to want to get paid too. Resigning Dennis makes the most sense, at least he could still be flipped later for some value. I think Trez could get a better deal if he opts out. His salary could be useful, but would he play a lot if he stays? Kuz and KCP combined are worth 26 million in cap space, we would still have some decent options on hand, if someone wanted out of their current situation.
     
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    i question whether there's a legit FA target that would make dumping kuz and kcp for nothing make sense. those are two guys who played 25+ mpg for a contender (and won a title). you better be getting a bona fide perennial allstar, because you'll have to fill out with vet mins around player X, lebron, and AD.
     
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    well, a s&t can't take you over the hard cap (or you can't do them if you're over the hard cap). but you can go over the hard cap to sign and keep your own FAs. guessing that's what we end up doing.

    this is another cap circumvention that can work for us. if sexton is traded without signing an extension, you can have him, then use bird rights to go over the cap/tax later.

    i'm not sure i love it. i think they want more than kuz, and i think i wouldn't give them more than kuz for sexton. i'm not sold on him as a star, and i think he'll demand star money.
     
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    I haven't really paid any attention to Sexton. Looking at his size and stats, he seems to be a combo guard who can score the ball with a decent, not great 3 ball. What is the downside? Does he not play defense? Is he a head case? Why are the Cavs wanting to move him?
     
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    You can't go over the hard cap for any reason, there is no exception for signing your own free agents. The good news is that after reading up more on S&T, you are only hard capped if you are receiving the player, not sending him out. So we can S&T Dennis without penalty, but the team that receives him will be hard capped. I guess this means only the teams with a lot of cap space would be possibilities. NY, OKC, etc.
     
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    NY 51 million, Sas 48 million , OKC 37 million and Dallas 34 million. These teams have the most cap space available.
     
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    um, no. basketball doesn't have a hard cap. they have things that can trigger a hard cap, and re-signing your own FAs is not one of them.

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    if there was a real hard cap, these two very factual screengrabs would not be possible.
     
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    Not gonna happen in Portland. Word is they've already told CJ he's safe. What other assets can they move and it move the needle for them?
     
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    If they told CJ he is staying then, Nurkic, Covington and Powell must be on the table. All three have skills and very tradeable contracts. If they package all three I could see them maybe landing someone to form a big three with Dame and CJ, but it would then need to be a front court player.
     
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    No. You can resign your own free agents to any number over the cap. ONLY if you are not hard capped. IE Golden State or Brooklyn wouldn't be allowed to receive a sign and trade period, because they are already over the hard cap plus the apron amount. It's not the same thing.
     
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    Nurkic, Covington, and Simon's is enough to match KAT'S salary. He's really the only difference maker of a big who I think could be available. Few weeks back, SAS mentioned that pairing as something to potentially watch this summer.
     
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