2022-23 Team Developments: News / Trades / Free Agents / Rumors

The Bron stuff didn't interest me at all and it is discussed in his thread. He's not going anywhere.

What did interest me was the mention of Grant... again. Yeah, Simmons name was listed. But considering Shams said he talked with Rich Paul about Bron, how do you think he got that scoop? A pay to play mention of Simmons to get his name back in the media cycle, since we haven't heard any updated rumors in a bit on him. So remove that, there's no way to make that happen. We're not moving Russ this soon. That leaves Grant, which I think has real legs. We're just waiting on THT and his deal to be movable next month

 

yeah, i think the grant thing could definitely happen. i'm not sure it's a great idea, but it's the sort of thing we'd do, and det should probably consider it.

 

Grant is the perfect Vogel player it seems to me. Long, athletic, can guard 2-5 and is mostly a perimeter offensive guy. He would fit perfectly next to AD and can play AD's role when he's off the floor. A younger, much more athleticly gifted Trevor Ariza. That's probably Vogel's dream player, a mini AD, that can defend straight up and cover a large amount of space in the zone. Giving up Tucker and Nunn is a roll of the dice, but Grant is 27 and is in his prime. It would allow Lebron to guard the weakest link on the other team too.

 

I'm just about over THT and his non jumping shooting style that can't make shots anyway and doesn't allow him to get Js off easily in mid range. Has to rely on old man type one legged fall backs. Jump Talen!! Use your damn long arms and whatever vertical you have to terrorize guards your height and shorter .... in addition to your heavy a** body being able to muscle them.

That one pre-season game against the Clippers 2 years ago when he went off for 30+ points and was knocking down shots at the age of 19 really faked me out. I even got into a bit of a heated debate with my son over it because he wouldn't project all that so soon.

 

wait, people actually thought the lakers would trade lebron? lol

grant would be a great addition but the only trade piece they have at the moment is THT+picks. don't think that's enough

 

We are super limited in the trade dept. be interesting to see if Rob can pull off a season saving move. Seems highly unlikely.

 

i'm not sure i add picks, tbh. you take THT and nunn, you save some cash and stay in the cellar, but get a younger piece to look at a lower price. maybe they can get more for grant, but i'm really not sure. he's a little overpaid AND is a UFA in a year. he didn't take the leap he and det thought he was going to.

 

bit ironic that we don't have young legs equates to trading our youngest legs, but whatever.

truth is that lebron and AD wanted people to hustle for them, and then AC walked away for the MLE and we brought in a bunch of scorers who also prefer others do the hustling. our own assistant coach and several of our players have confirmed this on multiple occasions.

 

After seeing Ariza play, I can better envision the role Vogel slotted for him and that made me even more in favor of this move. I think a the rotation of Grant, Ariza, and Melo eating up the forward spot minutes next to Bron (and a couple of them will get small ball 5 minutes till AD is back) works really well for this roster. It's probably the easiest move we can make to try to better balance the roster, improve on D, save Ariza from going 30+ a night, and go all on winning now and maximizing our remaining window.

This helps the Pistons hold their ground against the Magic as worst team in the league, they can take their time with THT as well. They get Nunn who is either a cheap backup PG for them next year who'd they otherwise have no chance of signing. OR an easy flip for a second round pick or two to a team who misses out next free agency.

 

Hilarious to me that they are complaining now about not having “the young legs.” Yeah, that’s because you basically removed all of those guys who did ALL of your dirty and hustle work for you in exchange for Westbrook- a guy who would rather pad his rebounding stats than actually do anything on defense. SMFH!!!!
Okay, my bad, you did manage to keep THT- the worst defender and rebounder of the young, hustle group.

 

That team struggled to beat anyone with Lebron and was 15-15 without AD. They finished in the play in game..So let's not act like they were out there killing it by any means. They also didn't have most of them missing for chunks of the season right out of the gate. This last season's team was soo much better stuff is a reach. Folks seem to have a convenient case of amnesia about what actually happened last season.

 

Your rhetoric means nothing when I’m talking about Championship players. You keep your love for stat stuffers and I will keep mine for guys who actually WIN RINGS.

 

Yet you can't refute anything I just posted because that is what actually happened. What Championship players are you referring to? Weren't they out there playing last season? Where did we end up? In the play in game.

 

If you want to talk about the actual team that won the chip. Maybe we missed Green, Rondo, Dwight and Javale more than we thought we would last season.

 

People blaming Rob Perlinka for not signing Forwards now but indeed he could not find any.
Rob lacked the vision to build a comprehensive modern roster.
Look at the Clippers, Jerry West stacked as many forward as he could.
From Leonard 6'7, Paul Geroge 6'8 to Kennard 6'9, Nicholas Batum 6'8 or even Ibaka 6;9.
It is the modern basketball roster.

Compare to that Lakers go Ellington 6'4, THT 6'5, Westbrook 6'3, Mali Monk 6'3, Rondo 6'2, IT 5'7? That's a joke. Fortunately, we got Ariza back now, but he is 36.
And Howard undoubtedly the best rebounder we got cannot defend pick and pop or even pick and roll. We cannot put him on the court at crunch time.

This wore AD and LBJ down eventually.
Unless there is a miracle we got Grant or Simmons somehow, I can't see this lakers team going anywhere.

If that is the case we should consider letting Lebron go.

 

kennard's 6'4" or slightly over and plays smaller. ibaka's a center.

the clippers' stars are big wings, that's all.

big wings are actually not as available as people think, and i'm also not sure they're the path to greatness as centerpieces (ask the clips and C Bags about it).

that said, having none of them is a huge issue, yes. just like having zero actual centers or pgs would be. these archetypal positions evolved for a reason (which is why the "positionless" basketball stuff never made sense to me--it really just refers to defense, and even then doesn't work).

 

Ibaka can play stretch 5 to space the floor with the ability to defend
Kennard has a similar role as KCP tho his defend is not that good
Leonard Paul George Batum literally can defend 1-5 position as not much team play traditional 5 anymore

 

I like Grant a lot and he checks some boxes for us. However, I am a bit concerned about his mediocre three-point shooting. So, far Grant has shown a very limited sample size (Hitting 1.0 threes in 2.9 attempts per game over the course of his career), in terms of volume three-point shooting, and his percentage is only at around 35% for his career. He has increased his volume the past two years, hitting about 2/5.5 per game. In terms of corner three-point shooting, Grant takes a healthy number of attempts from that area (37.2%), but only hits 35% of them. In comparison, Ariza takes 37% of his threes from the corner and is 40% for his career. Ariza also has 10 seasons where he hit at least two threes per game. Ironically, Ariza did not become a volume three point shooter until around the age of 28, which is the Grant's age right now. Maybe the Lakers could be banking on Grant to do the same? We will see. Grant could be an option, but I would be careful and consider all options.

 

I wouldn’t be too concerned about Grant’s three point numbers in Detroit. I think it’s a symptom of him essentially being forced into the #1 option on a team without other weapons, artificially forcing him into taking a higher volume of shots.

Similar why SGA’s shooting numbers are poor this year, even though the eye test tells me he’s developing into a very nice player.

If we can trade THT/Nunn for Grant, I think you have to do it. On paper he is exactly what we need right now.

I do wonder though if he is ENOUGH to really improve our chances this year, or if it would be futile anyways. But even if he regresses or we still can’t overcome our injuries and other roster limitations, well he’s still very tradable… and I’ve lost a lot of faith in THT anyways.

I’m pretty skeptical that Detroit would be interested though. Grant’s skillset I imagine is in high demand across the league, I would think Detroit can get some better offers.