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  1. Slick2021

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    No..you are reaching...Dennis Rodman was a defensive player of the year. He was also a league rebounding champion. Those are exceptional accomplishments not simply above average. LOL..So are you really trying to imply that Caruso was somehow similar to Rodman? Whatever...I reject that take.

    You seem to have made up in your mind that Caruso was better than he really was. Why didn't he start then? So in your opinion, he was more valuable in the bubble than KCP, Rondo, Green or Dwight? Negative..there wasn't something definitive that I saw, that said our best 5 in the bubble had to include Alex Caruso. Lebron James can play with a lot of people, come on.. if you didn't know that by now, you will be reminded of that fact this season.

    Meh..Drummond..he is a decent player not elite or " good"..probably a bit higher up on the ladder of decent players than Caruso tho.
     
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    They blew all that NBA salary they made.
     
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    The money he was offered and had to accept this off season seems not to agree with that opinion, compared to AC.
     
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    The amount of money a guy makes doesn't always define the caliber of the player. Sometimes it's the situation they are in.I think Wiggins is ridiculously over paid for instance. Is AC Fresh considered to be a superior player to Schroder league wide? No..but he signed a bigger contract.
     
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    Drummond sucked for us. He couldn’t catch a pass or throw a pass that wasn’t at a players ankles. He could barely jump, so he missed tons of easy dunks. He could rebound but that was an empty stat for our team. You yourself just said “ it’s not about their past career achievements, it’s about now”. The now part of Drummond’s career with the Lakers was a total bust. Hence why nobody was willing to pay him any money. Caruso was much more valuable then Drummond and that is why he got paid and Drummond didn’t.
     
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    address the actual point: caruso is above average and is paid below average. kcp was paid above league average (and was worth it, btw). had caruso been traded for westbrook, you wouldn't hear bellyaching, i don't think. caruso probably deserved a contract like kcp's, tbh. but we wouldn't pay it.

    and hell no, schroder is not more valuable than caruso. just...no.
     
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    just digging a huge hole here. drummond was such a fail. everybody knows it now. most people knew it before we even picked him up.
     
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    The dude was a starter for his whole career. He played 20 mins a game in 25 games in LA, without the benefit of ever playing with a healthy Lebron or AD...what 6-7 games tops with both period. What exactly was you expecting Drummond to do? Replace Lebron or AD? He was a damn good bargain at the 800k we paid him wasn’t he?
     
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    I'm reaching? Pot meet Kettle.

    Rodman did win DPOY... twice. But not the same years he led the league in rebounding. As I already posted above, Rodman was a great defender in Detroit. That's also where he won his two DPOYs. His last two seasons in Detroit he shifted his focus from defense to rebounding. As a result his rebounding numbers went through the roof, but his defense suffered.

    No, I was not directly comparing Caruso and Rodman. I already explained above why I brought up Rodman. He does not fit your definition of a good player. He NEVER did. He did ONE thing at a time exceptionally well. Defense in Detroit and then shifted to rebounding. Your definition requires players to be way above average in "lots of areas".

    The only comparison I would draw between Caruso and Rodman is that they both are exceptional in one thing, and that one thing makes them valuable to their teams and good players.

    Caruso didn't start because he was a role player. Though that was a coaching decision. There have been many good role players in NBA history who didn't start. Why even bring up starting as a criteria for being a good player? Yes, Caruso played a more important role in the championship run than Danny Green. Danny Green sucked in the Bubble. Caruso also played a more important role than Dwight because Dwight didn't play nearly as much in the Bubble. I'd say KCP was as valuable or more so than Caruso in the Bubble, but I would also identify KCP as a good player, while you probably don't.

    If you view Drummond as higher on the ladder of decent players than Caruso, then we are not going to find much common ground in our discussion.
     
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    The actual point remains the same. I consider Caruso to be a decent NBA player nothing more. You have elevated him to " Good" status. My definition of a good NBA player and yours are not the same. Frankly I think KCP is the better player but he is just a decent player IMO too.
     
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    I didn’t say anything about Drummond being overpaid. Players can be paid nothing and still suck. I’m not sure why you mentioned his career stats when you just said that it’s not about career stats, it’s about the now. I was expecting a guy who could catch a pass and dunk it when he’s all alone under the basket. You don’t need reps with the team to be able to do that, if the pass is on target. The guy was terrible in my opinion and there’s no way that we will ever agree if you think Caruso was worse then Drummond last season.
     
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    Drummond is not a better player than Caruso, and if he is in terms of stats, he’s certainly not a more impactful player, nor does he contribute to winning more. Caruso is a winning player, and he will bring that to Chicago and make them better. It isn’t the end of the world that he’s gone, but I will miss his play greatly, it was a joy to watch someone make the smart plays on both ends so often, winning plays. It was something I missed when Ariza left after 2009 as well, but that didn’t cost us a title, and I don’t think Caruso will either. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t important and much better than he’s being given credit for, to dismiss him as I’m seeing here is just a bad take.
     
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    Naw..you are going to have to back up with the Rodman comparisons period. Rodman was a DPOY and he was a league rebounding champion multiple seasons, he was still a good defender with the Bulls. He was above average on the boards in Detroit too.That man did some exceptional things. .

    Caruso is not exceptional in anything. He played great in a small role he had on this team. That doesn't somehow make him a good player to ME.. I said good players are above average in several areas and their game will translate to any team and scheme. I don't know that about Caruso at all. He only played in LA., James and Davis don't play in Chicago. He'll he only played 20 mins a game here! I can't point to one series in the bubble and say we would have struggled to win it without Caruso. We only lost 1 game in each series in the Western Conference. No...I don't think we lose to Miami without him either. Was he more important in that series than Rondo or Kcp? No. Was he more important against Denver than Dwight? No. Danny Green...I didn't like his game or his output rather, in the bubble or entire season. That being said, was Caruso more important than him? Possibly. Yea...I consider KCP to be a decent NBA player too. Ahead of Caruso in that grouping. Drummond still up because I value bigs over guards in general, and 25 games is a small sample size. Alex was much more important to the Lakers, league wide, I'd wager that Drummond is going to have more of an impact in Philly than Alex does in Chicago. The games will tell the story...let's see how it plays out.
     
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    Disagree, Caruso is exceptional at defense. Stats have shown this to the the case.
     
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    If the dude had been on the team the entire season, you would have a more valid point to me. I'm talking right now. Drummond is higher up on the ladder of decent players than Caruso. Both won't be on the Lakers and the season will reveal what's what. Stand on that..yep I still do. Alex had a more impactful season with the Lakers last season, I can agree on that part.
     
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    You can't be exceptional in 20 mins a game man. Not in this league, you can have numbers that project well, but that is NOT exceptional, that is ridiculous. If he played starters minutes and put up those number OK. 20 min? Hell No.
     
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    not if i deny their existence!

    had drummond been a laker the whole year, he'd have found his place on the bench behind gasol and trez and been cut to disappoint someone else in the spring.
     
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    Pfft..20 mins a game isn't going to win you anything in this League. It's a slap in the face to the guys playing heavy minutes IMO. Sometimes stats and analytics get blown totally out of proportion. IE..Alex Caruso

    Drum dawg millionaire?

    Maybe..we'll never know. We do know that Gasol and Trez aren't here either.
     
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    This has been more entertaining than wasting time yapping about Gasol! At least I liked Caruso! Wish him the best, disagree on how critical he was to the team though.
     
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    It’s funny how you dismiss what the stats show AC was exceptional at, the heady and winning plays both sides of the ball because he wasn’t playing 30 minutes a game, and how you’re pretty much in the tiny maybe a couple others around here …. minority about his value to a team wherever he will play including the past 2 seasons here. Yet you just dismiss the far greater amount of people here with many years watching basketball too (you’re not alone in that regard you know) as it’s because we’ve been affected by the cult mentality with the player. Get over yourself maybe.
     
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