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  1. KareemtheGreat33

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    Sebastian Telfair was overhyped as a prospect lol
     
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    it's a who's who of "i am not at all shocked that they are doing illegal things"
     
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    My bad. Correction. Every team the Lakers called to trade with, they all wanted Caruso. Or did they all just want to land a cult hero of their own? Come on.

    https://www.slamonline.com/nba/lakers-coach-every-team-wanted-alex-caruso/

    https://www.silverscreenandroll.com...e-mike-penberthy-warriors-pistons-free-agency
     
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    You've heard of Q-Anon. This is Carus-Anon.
     
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    Meh..That doesn't mean anything..Caruso was a decent player on a ridiculously cheap contract. I'm sure any team would have wanted to add him for the cheap. Same as Kuz. Take note as to how many teams will be fighting to pick him up from Chicago on his current salary. It's not going to be the same level of interest. He was a steal on his Laker deal, not so much now. Only two teams actually offered him a deal in free agency...Minnesota and Chicago. It's not like he was exactly a hot commodity at that salary level.
     
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    Can't even bring yourself to say "good" player who was one of the very top (not saying lock down) guard defenders in the league, with great court sense and athleticism / size and shot 40% from 3 pt line, with a knack for making winning plays. And NO he wasn't asked to shoot more from there per game. Your opinion is "decent" not great but you won't come off it so agree to disagree soundly.
     
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    Yep I guess so, because no there is no measure where I consider Alex Caruso a " good" player in the NBA. He is a decent talent, he's better than average on defense and below average as a scorer and playmaker. If that is your idea of a "good" NBA player than I guess we have a difference of opinion on what " good" is in comparison to other NBA players. He was great in his role here but that doesn't make him a "good" player in the NBA pecking order IMO.
     
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    I'm just going to leave this here:

     
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    Why don't you define what you mean by good NBA player.

    The way I see it, in the NBA there are star players and there are role players. Caruso will never be a star player. But he is a great role player. Great, not good. The numbers show that. His rep around the league shows that. LeBron's respect for him shows that.
     
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    I've been a fan of the NBA since the 70's. My criteria may be higher than others. I see it like this...all the players in the NBA are a part of an elite group...the best basketball players in the world.
    I consider a large majority of the players in the League to be "average" I mean "average" in comparison to the other best players in the world. An "average" player has some attributes that can contribute, but they have their flaws too. A "decent" player is above average in some aspects but only average in others or below average in some. A " good" player is above average in a lot of areas. These guys can play in any scheme on any roster and produce similar results. Then you have the "great"players, ones that you can build around, scheme around and win big. There are a lot more average and decent players in the NBA than the last two. The average and decent are easier to replace IMO. Summing it up...Lebron, KD, Kawhai,Giannis etc are great. MVP caliber players. Guys like Lavine, Middletown, CJ, Holliday etc are good. There are a few " good" players that I consider on the cusp of being great like Tatum, Butler, Paul George. My standards may be higher than most as I said. All the players in the same group aren't on the same level either, there is a pecking order within each group.
     
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    So, by your standard, Dennis Rodman was not a good NBA player because he was never above average in a "lot of areas." He was only decent.
     
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    No..Rodman was exceptional as a one on one defender, team defender and as a rebounder. Exceptional is a good deal above the status of above average. For the sake of the conversation no Alex Caruso is not Exceptional in any area.
     
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    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...onsideration-one-stat-could-stand-in-his-way/

    if the goalposts for "good" get shifted to guys who are max players, i'm not sure the conversation is productive. caruso's salary is less than league average. people are arguing letting an above-average player walk for a league average salary was pretty disappointing.
     
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    A coach advocating for his player doesn't move the conversation any direction either. There are standards to be selected as an All Defensive team member. Alex didn't meet those standards because he only avg 21 minutes a game. It is what it is.

    So you are trying to define for me what I should consider a good player to be? How presumptuous of you. I spelled out how I view the players, if you have your own way of viewing them fine. I think all the guys in the league are privileged to be there. I also think the label good and great gets thrown around entirely too much these days. My list of guys that fit those two definitions are smaller than most it seems. Cool to each his own. To be frank about it...I didn't consider Caruso to be any more valuable to the team over the last two seasons than KCP. He was still a great player in the role we asked him to play.Again that's my opinion.
     
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    I agree that Rodman was an exceptional player. He was a unicorn. But he was never exceptional in a "lot of areas". Your standard not mine. He was way below average as a shooter, FT shooter, and ball handler. I used him to highlight the flaw in your "good player" standard. And adding team defender is a bit of a stretch. He was when he was with the Pistons. In his Bulls years he was still an excellent one on one defender, but when his man didn't have the ball he was so focused on hunting rebounds, his team defense often suffered.

    I get it. You have your mind made up that Caruso was never a good player even though his metrics show that he is an elite guard defender and he and LeBron had the highest combined +/-. I might even agree with you if none of his strengths actually meaningfully contributed to wins. Drummond is a case in point of how elite numbers can also be empty numbers. But you would have to ignore the obvious, that in our Bubble playoff run, our best 5 on the floor included Caruso.
     
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    To spell it out even more clearly. Every team in the NBA doesn't have a " great" player on their roster. Taking it a step further...our team has three great players and the rest are decent or average. No..there aren't any guys that I would label as good. It's not about their past career achievements, it's about right now.
     
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    Only things to like in that vid is the Popeye's. And that cash.
     
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    How incredibly greedy do you have to be to do this on top of making an NBA salary? Pathetic.
     
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