2019/20 Players' Transactions: Breaking News , Trades, Free Agents, And Rumors

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  1. therealdeal

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    I think we have too many kids... I like them, but we're just not going to have enough opportunities for all of them. They're going to start losing value like Boston's kids. I like Hart, Ingram, Ball, and Zubac, but it's extremely unlikely that Hart and Zubac play more than 25 minutes per game. Ingram and Ball seem like guys to build around, but Ingram has a long way to go and we haven't seen Ball play yet. I understand people's frustration in the moment.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we do to Randle what Boston did to Olynyk next summer which will be an unfortunate waste, but if we net two max level guys then I'm going to get over it.
     
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    Point Guards/Combo Guards
    Three SDs Up (averaged $37M/season)
    Stephen Curry +18 – Five years, $201M (age 29)
    Kyle Lowry G +18 becomes RFA Signs 3 year, $100M deal with TOR (age 31)


    Two SDs Up (averaged 17m/season)
    George Hill +10 three-years, $57M with SAC (age 31)


    One SD Up (averaged $17M/season)
    Jeff Teague +6 – signs three year, $57M deal (age 29)
    Jrue Holiday +6 – signs five year, $126M deal (age 27)
    Darren Collison 0 – signs two year, $20M deal (age 29)
    Patty Mills 0 – signs four year, $50M deal (age 28)
    Middle of the Pack (averaging 5 M/season)
    Dion Waiters -3
    Derrick Rose -4
    Deron Williams -4
    Jason Terry -5
    Beno Udrih -5
    Michael Carter-Williams -6 Signs one-year, $2.7M deal with CHA (age 25)
    Langston Galloway G -7 (signs three year, $21M deal) age 25
    JORDAN CLARKSON -9

    Bobby Brown -9
    Ty Lawson -9
    Arron Afflalo -9

    One SD Down (averaging $2.3m)
    Ramon Sessions G -10
    Raymond Felton -11
    Jose Calderon -11 Signs one-year, $2.3M deal with Cleveland (age 35)Ronnie Price -11
    Brandon Jennings -12
    Trey Burke -12
    Randy Foye -12

    Two SDs Down (Minimum Contract)
    TYLER ENNIS -13
    Brian Roberts -14 (was a -9 last season)
    Aaron Brooks -16
    Norris Cole -17

    Wings
    Two SDs Up
    Averaging 15.3M/season

    Suggested: (One Year at 20M or multiple at decreasing amounts – 2 at 34, 3 at 42, 4 at 44? – as all are older)
    Kyle Korver +3 Signs 3 year, $21M deal with CLE (age 36)
    Andre Iguodala +3 (Signs three year, 48M deal with GSW) age 33Manu Ginobili +2
    CJ Miles FG +2
    JJ Redick +1 (signs 1 year, $23M deal) age 33


    One SD Up - averaging ~10M/season
    Suggested: (One year might start at 18, two at 36, three at 48, four at 56; adjusted down for age)
    Matt Barnes -1
    Thabo -2
    Tony Allen -3
    Shaun Livingston -3 – signs three year, $24M deal (age 31)Tyreke Evans -3
    Tony Snell -3 signs four year, $46M deal (age 25)*Tim Hardaway Jr. -4
    *Kentavious Caldwell-Pope -4
    *Andre Roberson -4

    Middle of the Pack
    Averaging 4M/season (good deals)
    (People overpaid like crazy for these players last year. These are players I’d consider on MLE-type deals, 5-8M per season.)

    LUOL DENG -6
    Ian Clark -6
    KJ McDaniels GF -6
    Justin Holiday -6 Signs 2 year, $9M deal with CHI (age 28)
    Jodie Meeks -7 (Signs two-year, 6.7m deal with Washington) age 29Nick Young GF -7
    Reggie Bullock -9 (becomes UFA)
    Ben McLemore -9 Signs 2 year, 10.6M deal with MEM (age 24)*Jonathan Simmons -10
    Vince Carter -10
    Dahntay Jones -10
    *Shabazz Muhammad -10 (worst defender at his position)
    James Jones -10
    Anthony Morrow -11
    Wayne Selden SG -11 signs 2 year deal with Memphis for $2.9M (age 22)

    One SD Down (These are Vet Min to Room Exception, 1-4M)

    POST ASB BRANDON INGRAM -12*
    Shelvin Mack -13
    Sasha Vujacic -13 (was a -8 last season)
    Patricio Garino -14
    Alan Anderson -15
    Sergio Rodriguez -15
    *Ron Baker -15
    Brandon Rush -15
    Alex Toupane -15
    James Young -16

    Forwards
    Three SDs Up

    They ended up averaging ~28M per year


    Paul Millsap +13 Signs three-year $90M deal with Denver (age 32)
    Blake Griffin F +13 Signs five-year, $172M deal with LAC (age 28)

    Two SDs UpAveraging ~15M/season (these are incredible deals, in my view)
    Suggested Porter is getting max. The other gents could go in search of a ring. If not, they could be looking at solid paydays. At 30, Johnson could see an incredible deal, approaching 20M per season.
    *Otto Porter Jr. +8 signs four-year, $106M offer sheet with BK (age 24)

    David West +8 Signs a one-year, $2.3M contract with GSW (age 36)
    Amir Johnson +7 Signs one year, $11M deal with Philly (age 30)
    Danilo Gallinari F +7 signs three-year, $65M deal with LAC (age 28)



    One SD Up

    Averaging 13M/year
    There are some excellent players here. Players better suited to SF earned a good deal more money than those who were more PFs last season in this range. If that continues, Johnson, Beasley, Gibson, and Williams could all see huge salaries – in the 15-18M range. The Lakers could add a quality player in Splitter if they want an upgrade on defense. That’s precisely what I’d try to do if I were LA – look at a two year, $19M deal for Tiago.
    James Johnson +4
    Michael Beasley +3
    Taj Gibson +3 Signs a two-year, 28M contract with Minnesota (age 32)*Alan Williams +2 (becomes RFA)
    Tiago Splitter +2
    *Nikola Mirotic +2
    Zach Randolph +1 signs two-year, 24m contract with SAC (age 35)Brandon Bass 0

    Middle of the Pack
    Averaging 9M/season Note that Randle is in this group, meaning the Lakers are already in decent shape with their current starter. If he continues to improve with age, he could jump into the next higher group by next season, but there are good options available that offer different skillsets – like Ilyasova for shooting, Tucker for defense.
    *Joe Ingles -1 Signs four year, $52M deal (age 29)Luc Mbah a Moute F -1
    Ersan Ilyasova -1
    JULIUS RANDLE -2
    PJ Tucker -2 Signs four year, $32M deal with HOU (age 32)*JaMychal Green -2
    Christian Wood -4
    Jonas Jerebko -5
    Kris Humphries -6
    Thomas Robinson -6
    *Bojan Bogdanovic -6
    Udonis Haslem -6
    Alex Poythress -6
    Dante Cunningham -7
    Patrick Patterson -7 signs three-year, $16.4M deal with OKC (age 28)

    One SD DownIf you’re signing one of these players, it’s either for depth or you’re speculating. I steer clear of Green and Metta like the plague. Motiejunas is the only one in the group that offers a good skill – his defense.
    Jordan Hill FC -8
    James McAdoo -9 (becomes UFA)
    Donatas Motiejunas -9
    Omri Casspi -9 signs a 1-year, $2.1M deal with GSW (age 29)

    Metta -9
    Luke Babbitt -10
    Adreian Payne -10
    Jeff Green -12

    Two SDs Down
    These are end of the bench players, but Troy Williams isn’t a bad prospect.

    *Troy Williams -13
    Derrick Williams -16
    Damjan Rudez -17 (UFA)

    Center-Eligible
    Ibaka will be paid as either the best aging Center-eligible player in the crop or as one of the top five Forwards. He’s going to get a max or near max deal.



    New Contender

    Pau Gasol C +15
    --Gasol is such an interesting case, because he’s playing lower minutes, but he’s still giving incredibly high quality contributions – on both sides of the court. He’s been able to post above average defensive numbers the past three seasons. He’s old, but I could see a 2/30 deal maybe.


    Two SD Up

    Averaged 22M
    Serge Ibaka +9 Signs 3 year, 65M contract (age 27)
    One SD UpWho’d have imagined this? Olynyk is in line for a max deal. He’s right where Dwight Howard was last year – but five years younger. Zaza was at +5 last year, and he’s been even better slotted into a good team. Even if he falls off a bit, he’s an above average center and a good candidate for a short, high-paying deal or a ring chase. Noel is my favorite among the Center prospects, and both he and Plumlee could be in for massive paydays. Their deals should probably start at around 15M.
    Kelly Olynyk +8 – now UFAZaza Pachulia +7
    *Nerlens Noel +6
    *Mason Plumlee +5

    Middle of the Pack - averaging $5.5M per season
    Some good, quality vets here. The Lakers could do worse than to invite back Hibbert, but McGee might be a cheaper option and a better fit. Nene continues to be excellent despite his age; he was at only +1 last season, and he found a good role on a good team.

    Dewayne Dedmon +4
    Nene Hilario +3 – 3 years, $11M with Denver (age 34)*Alex Len +2
    Aron Baynes FC +2
    David Lee FC +2
    Willie Reed +2
    Mike Muscala +1
    Nick Collison +1
    Roy Hibbert +1
    Marreese Speights +1
    JaVale McGee +1
    Cristiano Felicio 0 – signs four year, $32M deal (age 24)

    One SD Down
    Center is pretty deep. The Lakers have three just below average bigs. Zubac is likely to improve a good deal next season. He could be into the low average range by next season’s close. Mozgov was at -2 last season, meaning he actually played slightly better this season. Let that sink in.

    Jeff Withey -1
    TARIK BLACK -1 (one of the better positional defenders)
    Bogut C -1 (still top 5 defender in the NBA over the last three seasons)
    Joel Anthony -3
    IVICA ZUBAC -4

    Two SD Down
    Probably not worth a contract. Center is deep.

    Walter Tavares -7
    Lavoy Allen FC -7

    Four SD Down (Ouch)
    Again. Ouch.

    *Joffrey Lauvergne -12 (becomes RFA for some reason)


     
  3. abeer3

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    i went back and fixed it. no draft pick to look forward to.

    and if the fanbase turns so easily on a 20 year old starter who's outperforming league average, i weep for our young players this year...

    and i think we have too many young kids to watch, too. if i had my way, we would have neither the 27th nor the 28th pick in this draft. as you said, there's no room for these guys to develop, and luke has no chance at winning with this roster. it's not a good situation.
     
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    You better make sure PG13 comes next year; if he doesn't for whatever reason, we're screwed.
     
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    Definitely not using it in a political way. Using it to describe the overly sensitive fans who won't give the front office a shot.

    To answer your question. If the Lakers did trade the #2 pick for Paul George I would not be happy since he's coming next season. It all depends on who we get.

    I think it is silly fans are so doomsday already. Guess I'm a thick skin fan. Lakers last won a championship 8 seasons ago. Before that it was 10 years. We are spoiled fans. I'm a loyal Dodger fan and it's hitting 30 yrs. I'll bring up the C Bags. It took them almost 25 yrs to win another championship.

    And you wonder why other fans hate Laker fans.
     
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    I think it's pretty clear the Lakers thought they'd get George with Randle/Clarkson/2 1sts... I don't think they had any intention of drafting 27/28 this year. That's not to say they aren't happy with the kids, just that I don't think it was "Plan A" so to speak. I mean let's be honest, the trade they took was much worse than what we offered.
     
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    I don't understand the sensitive snowflakes that are triggered by my sensitivity towards the questionable front office strategy.

    :Magic2:
     
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    It's not necessary to use the term at all though. We're all Laker fans here with valid opinions. Just because you don't agree with someone, doesn't mean they're stupid or their opinions are invalid compared to yours. If you disagree with someone, just state your piece.

    I think some fans are overreacting, but the vast majority of fans on LB are not. Call it pompous, but my favorite thing about this site is how level most of us are compared to the other sites. Let's try to keep it that way by not escalating the situation calling people "snowflakes" and such.
     
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    I can respect that. I'm just amazed at how negative fans are. Some act as though the team hasn't won in 20 yrs. Guess I enjoy the process and going thru cycles
     
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    So...is today the day we agree to a deal with someone?
     
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    You're right, and I would have upped my offer at that point to Number 2, but they would have taken back Deng or Mosgov. Apparently, though, the Lakers liked Ball so much he was off the table, and I think that was the wrong decision, IMO.
     
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    bingo. cap space is crucial and stars are coming or they're not. we actually DIDN'T go all in on the cap space plan.
     
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    I've recently said in here that the FO has to do something first before I give them any props and I'm sticking to it. You put anyone in the FO regardless of name or stature and they come out with a "Insert year here" plan and I'm instantly not going to be a fan. I've said multiple times that year plans are something that I am totally against. There are other ways to improve the team and neither FO was interested in that. I think it's a fair comparison between the two FOs that they are using the same plan, neither has accomplished anything with it and until they do, I'm not praising them for anything. I'll question anyone who thinks the year plan is the best way to get better and I have been consistent with that. And that leads to my previous comment, Magic/Rob have ELECTED to sit out this FA and not try to get a big fish or any 2nd tiers, I don't see a problem with that as this FA doesn't have a lot of talent, but who is to say they strike out next year and sit out again waiting for the guy they want? They've done it once already. I wouldn't call them busts, I'm more neutral on them leaning towards a negative review d/t the year plan they are on.

    They just need to get one star here and things will be a lot better, because for whatever reason, if you have a star on your team, your assets magically become more valuable and you can trade them for another superstar.

    And if that makes me a negative nancy Doomsday snowflake sky is falling dumb fan, then so be it, but at least I'll be consistent.
     
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    One of the things I like about this site is that we can all agree to disagree in a respectful manner. Attaching labels such as "snowflakes" lowers that respect.
     
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    at this point, I dont even worry about being true title contenders, not to say I want to be treadmilling like Tor or the Clipps either but considering the "success" and talent they have it goes to show how much it really does take to be true contender. You need 2 top 5-15 ish player and even if PG does come if Ball or Ingram dont turn into a top 10 player at some point, we're not truly contending. However the plan is more of the same for me, until I see it happen its just a fantasy, reality is this team will still be bad (record wise), however competitive they'll be is inconsequential to me, end of the day an L is an L, dont matter how you get it and this team is going to get alot of them next season.
     
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    Sorry guys but nobody is beating the Warriors the next 2-3 yrs without a lot of luck.
     
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    kd turns an ankle and houston beats them next year.

    i'll add that i find that suggestion that your viewpoint is "impatient" a bit odd, given the other side of the argument. i mean, we didn't have the patience to keep a draft pick for more than two years, and i think of cap space plans as get-rich-quick schemes. furthermore, no team in my memory has ever gone from being terrible and star-less to cleaning up the FA market and contending in one season. miami had wade in the fold already.


    the bolded in doc's statement has been demonstrated with brute force in the past couple of weeks. this is why i didn't understand not going full out for george a couple weeks ago. again, if we have paul george, do we get chris paul for a sack of junk? i think maybe.
     
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    I wouldn't have because I know (through obvious collusion) that Paul George is still coming here anyway. Why give up Lonzo when I know I don't have to? Randle/Clarkson/2 late 1sts are not necessary for our plans and in fact are jettisonable assets because we need the capital to move on George anyway. Lonzo and Ingram aren't jettisonable. In fact, context clues point towards the Lakers fallback plan being Zubac, Ingram, and Ball moving forward. I get that. Every regime change wants their guys in front instead of the previous regime's.

    More importantly though, it doesn't matter. The Pacers weren't going to trade with us obviously. If that was the deal they took? it was never going to happen.
     
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    How long has this FA plan been in effect? Aside from the two long-term deals last season, how long has LA been not a contender, hoping to land the big fish, and unable to do so?
     
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    If there was some way the Lakers could dump Deng on someone, this off season would be lights out. And then the Lakers can go into next year with all the ammo they need to get this thing turned around.
     
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