2015 Nba Draft Discussion: Russell, Nance Jr., Brown

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  1. therealdeal

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    Okafor is going to be one fantastic offensive player in the NBA. Needs to shed some body weight though and work on explosion. I'm not sure why he's so unimpressive laterally or why he doesn't gather well to jump. He's got great downhill speed and agility for his size. I wonder if it's a case of him not being trained for certain things or if he legitimately is incapable of moving well laterally.

    Either way, it might have been against crap competition, but he used an array of moves to score that I don't think anyone in the NBA has right now. Monroe and Duncan come to mind in the post but that's about it for big men.
     
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    Unfortunately, we're going to have to go down road of athleticism. Some bigs just don't get up like others. You have extreme ends like DeAndre Jordan, and then you have guys like Hibbert who barely make it off the ground, but uses his size well.

    Okafor is going to fall under the latter category, and I think he'll be a Monroe type player. Good offensive skillset, but he won't be a defensive presence.

    I like Towns better for his potential. He might not be as polished as Okafor, but he has a very similar build and makeup as Bynum, hopefully without the structural inadequacies we saw with Drew. He's got excellent length and reach, has a nose for boards, great job anchoring the paint and affecting shots with his length, and soft touch around the rim. Surprisingly, he's very mobile and in control on the open floor, crazy for his size.
     
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    I know Okafor won't ever be as athletic as Jordan or Drummond, but he's jarringly unathletic at times.

    I still take him over Towns because while Towns shows potential, there's every bit the opportunity for that kid to never reach it. Okafor's floor right now is a polished NBA post scorer. That's a hell of a floor. He's got to be the number one pick this summer if he stays healthy.
     
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    I don't believe we will. I look at this thread as complete hypothetical.

    Still fun to discuss and imagine.
     
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    I've seen him. don't think he's going to be a good pro. he's painfully unathletic, and doesn't have a very strong base. you're right, if he's there at 27, you take him. I don't even consider him in the lotto.
     
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    So after our little streak we sit at 8-19. Here's where some of the other teams are:

    Sixers: 3-23
    Knicks: 5-25
    Pistons: 5-23
    Wolves: 5-21
    Jazz: 8-20
    Hornets: 8-19
    Lakers: 8-19
    Pacers: 9-19
    Magic: 10-20
    C Bags: 10-15

    I'd say the Hornets move up past us eventually and the Pacers move away as well. The C Bags it's hard to predict, but losing Rondo shouldn't make things better right? The Magic should move up if they can get/stay healthy. I don't see us doing worse than the Pistons, Knicks, Sixers, Wolves, or Jazz though. That makes us the 6th worst team in the NBA. We're damn close to that pick. If we suffer an injury to any of our rotation players, Kobe most of all, we'll be a bottom five team for sure with the Jazz and maybe Wolves moving out ahead of us.

    I don't see us GUARANTEEING that pick though with the Knicks, Sixers, and Pistons around.
     
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    I wouldn't mind Willie Cauley-Stein as a defensive-minded hustle player next to Randle. I'm actually surprised he hasn't been talked about on this thread nearly at all (if at all) compared to Okafor and Towns.
     
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    We discussed Cauley-Stein around page 6 or 7.

    I love what I have seen from him. I think he has definitely played himself into the lottery at this point.
     
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    We're in the bottom 5 presently. Detroit, Minnesota, Philadelphia, and New York are all head of us. SVG isn't tanking with Detroit; Monroe has been killing it lately. I think the chemistry gets better without Smith that team improves as the season goes along gaining some wins playing in that pathetic Eastern Conference. I pointed this out in the Kobe thread; the 2nd half of our schedule gets less difficult, and that's where I see us potentially winning more games quite possibly decreasing our chances of keeping our pick. We'll see, though.
     
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    yeah, I think det will win some more games in the second half of the season. their gm is their coach; don't see a full-on tank job there.

    but no way the lakers out-tank philly or minny, and ny--despite not trying to tank--seems unbeatable in a tanking sense as well. so, just have to hope boston, indy, charlotte, and Utah try to win basketball games. I'd really like to see the lakers sitting with at least the 4th worst record in the league at the end. that allows for one team below them to sneak into the lotto without losing the pick.
     
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    I know we weren't in the bottom five yet, I had us at six on that list. We are now though. Here's the updated (inverse) standings:

    Sixers 4-24
    Knicks 5-26
    Wolves 5-23
    Pistons 6-23
    Lakers 9-21
    Jazz 9-20
    Pacers 10-20
    C Bags 10-17

     
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    Yeah, I edited what I said...I meant to say we are presently; my fault. The Wolves still have Pek, Rubio, and Martin coming back...maybe they win some games?
     
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    The thing is we're at just about full strength and still losing (except these last two games). I see us losing at least 2 games for every 1 win the rest of the season barring any new players coming in. Mind you I don't WANT this all to happen, but it seems likely at this point and it's worth keeping track of.

    The Wolves might improve a little bit with the return of Rubio. The Knicks... well I don't know about them. The Pistons should improve just slightly, but I'm not sure if it'll be enough for us to get below them on the standings. The Sixers obviously will have the worst record in the NBA.

    If we lose anyone on our team for any given time, we'll lose more than 2 games for 1 win. We're on pace right now for under 25 wins. I think we end up just under 30, but with a bottom five record.
     
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    The Knicks are done; they'll finish in the bottom 2 with Philly, IMO. I think it's the bottom 2 teams that are guaranteed a top 5 pick...
     
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    Omg, if we get the 6th pick and have to give it to Phoenix, I'm gonna murder someone cold.
     
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    Honestly, I still feel like we are gonna land in the Top 5. I still think we end up somewhere between 20 and 25 wins.

    The Knicks, Wolves, and Sixers are awful and will be tough to beat out. But I am hoping Rubio might give the Wolves just enough of a boost when he comes back to give us the edge over them. I'm also hoping (or praying) at least a couple of the Eastern conference teams show some kind of heart down the stretch.

    At this stage, I think we will all breathe a small sigh of relief when its announced that we get pick number 4 or 5.
     
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    please correct me if i'm wrong,

    but even if we finish 4th or 5th worst, isn't there still a chance we land outside of the top 5 pick? thus giving that pick to phx? seems like we have to finish bottom 3 to be guaranteed a top 5 pick?
     
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    IMO, Detroit will improve; they have the coaching to get better as the season progresses...they just beat the Cavs by 23 and look better now that Smith is gone and Meeks has come back. I think they'll finish outside of the top 5.
     
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    correct. The same can be said if we finish with the 6th or 7th worst record. We still could be picking in the top 5, but of course chances arent as good.
     
  20. therealdeal

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    You have to finish in the bottom 2 to guarantee a top 5 pick.

    At the same time if you're the 5th worst team you're statistically more likely to get the 5th pick than the WORST team getting the 1ST pick.
     
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