2015 Nba Draft Discussion: Russell, Nance Jr., Brown

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  1. LaVarBallsDad

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    I knew you would answer that way, but I respect the response. He often did delegate matters, and you're probably right. He means more to free agency than the draft. But getting his opinion in all matters proved to be invaluable over the course of time. Jerry was wrong; however, he was more right than he was wrong.
     
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    Yes. I think Russell is brilliant. He'll probably end up with another team, though. That ok with me. I have NBA League Pass so I'll be able to watch him wherever he gets drafted at...
     
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    Russell is great prospect. Honestly I have only run into a pretty small group of people outside of this site who don't think he is a great prospect.

    I like Okafor but I really don't get the constant knocks on Towns and Russell around here.
     
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    Still ..... the old tried and true decision for the most part..... great, very big prospect over small, great prospect. I have no doubts he sees the floor and passes like few others can, and can shoot the ball. But he's not dominant athletically and he's not an even harder to find great "BIG" prospect. Okafor may not be a pre-eminent defender around the basket, yet, but he sure as hell will defend Boogie, and Gasol and Davis and Jordan and Towns and Pek and all the other legitimate Bigs in the league better than Russell will .....with ultimately "starter" minutes in games. Takes a load off the PG constantly getting beat up driving into key to open up other players for shots. Half the time now when Jahlil gets the ball in there with those big mitts he will find those same guys when doubled. We got lucky and should take the potential franchise CENTER.
     
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    I'm not knocking either as a prospect. If we end up with them, fine. I just vastly prefer Okafor and I find him a better prospect than them. Since we've got another week, there's going to be a lot of comparisons made leading up to the draft and it's bound to sound like negativity, but it's really not. I just don't see elite prospect in Russell. I see elite prospect in Towns, Okafor, and Mudiay. I see solid prospect in Johnson, Russell, Hezonja, and Cauley-Stein. The rest to me are more of a crap shoot. Winslow to me actually has a pretty good bust potential if he ends up in a crappy situation. He seems like the kind of cat that will feed off of his surroundings. That's not necessarily bad, but if he's put in a situation where he's unhappy I think he'll look a little worse than people thought he'd be.

    Re: missing Dr. Buss- I miss him regardless of the draft. He was a beacon of great vibes man. More than anything in this process though he was a great judge of character. I firmly believe if he were more healthy when Dwight was in the conversation he may have either turned us away from Dwight or helped Dwight get his head screwed on straight. Dr. Buss had a way with helping people realize their potential. He was an awesome man.

    I think he'd make for a great interview with these youngsters, but he'd leave the decision making to Mitch and Jim unless he saw something he really loved or hated.
     
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    Yeah, I understand that position. I'm hoping the least Byron could do is whip Okafor into shape by getting after him defensively.

    Quite honestly, I think we're in business with Okafor, Towns, and or Russell for various reasons. I have other glaring concerns going into next season.
     
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    This is how I see the high lottery picks.

    High floor / High ceiling
    Okafor and Towns

    High floor / Medium ceiling
    S.Johnson and WCS

    Medium floor / High ceiling
    Hezonja and Russell

    Low floor / High ceiling
    Mudiay and Porzingis

    I generally prefer players with high floors, but would take Hezonja over WCS because of our need for a wing and his superstar potential.
     
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    I don't see many knocks on towns around here, other than he won't work out for the lakers.

    I agree with others that Russell's lack of elite athleticism is a concern, and it's the primary reason I'd take either big over him without thinking. he'd be three on my board, no question, though.
     
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    Yeah, if Jah wasn't in this draft then Towns would be my favorite option for us. I greatly prefer Okafor to Towns both as a prospect and as a Laker and I guess the comments from that group would be what Elgin is largely referencing. My biggest problem with Towns, comparisons aside, has been him unwilling to come on for a workout. That really rubbed me the wrong way.

    As far as Russell, I know I'm in the minority, but I just really don't see IT.
     
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    The videos I've seen of Towns... that kid can shoot. Like really, really shoot. Not sure I want my center shooting 3s, but man, he can take his man outside that's a real option.

    As for Okafor, those pics of him palming the ball look cartoonish. He's got an old school back to the basket game. I love it. Most draftees are a risk, but I feel the closer to the basket you are, the less risk you are. He knows to get his butt on the block and go to work. The FTs scare me, but he'll just have to work at it.
     
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    The 2015 NBA Draft is just eight days away, but we still don't know which way the Minnesota Timberwolves are leaning with the No. 1 overall pick. The team's front office is reportedly split between Karl-Anthony Towns and Jahlil Okafor, with D'Angelo Russell, Kristaps Porzingis and Emmanuel Mudiay also on the fringes.

    Minnesota's top decision-maker and head coach, Flip Saunders, prefers Okafor, but the rest of the front office wants Towns, according to Chad Ford's latest mock draft. Saunders' staff has been trying to convince him to select the Kentucky big man, who they believe to be a better fit with the team's other personnel.

    Saunders recently visited Thousand Oaks to watch Towns work out, and Ford says he has "kept getting assured that Flip will ultimately turn Towns' way." It's not a sure thing, however, given that Saunders has always liked Okafor and could override the request of his staff in favor of the Duke star.

    Okafor visited Minnesota on Tuesday and Wednesday, although that's not necessarily a sign of the Timberwolves' intentions. Team officials also went to Las Vegas to watch Porzingis work out, have a workout scheduled with Mudiay and want to meet with Russell.

    Towns remains the favorite, but the top of the draft is still a mystery just a week out.

    http://www.sbnation.com/2015/6/17/8...l-anthony-towns-kristaps-porzingis-tyus-jones
     
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    I just wouldn't understand picking Okafor from their perspective.

    Towns works for me though if they go that route. I can't pretend I wouldn't be incredibly disappointed, but I think Towns in LA would be more explosive than Okafor. I think when you break it down you're talking about potentially the next Garnett/Duncan type of match-up. If we end up with someone like that for the next 10-15 years then what's to hate?

    Once Towns puts some weight on his hips, he'll be a stud. The one thing I'd really need to do is go get a veteran big man then to buy Towns time to develop. Okafor I think is more of a sure thing than Towns especially right away, but Towns ceiling is higher. No doubt about that.

    Again, I don't think there's any chance Minnesota passes on Towns, but if they do we'll roll with it.
     
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    Honestly I don't either. I don't know what we're missing. He seems like a very bright kid with very good vision and a good shot... I don't see the physical body for the NBA. I don't see the shot being as great off the bat as people think it will be. I see a lot of inconsistencies there and I see his lack of separation-ability as a big problem.

    I think he'll be a pretty good NBA player and if he nails it all he'll be a good NBA player, but I don't see Steph Curry and I don't see a better player than Towns or Okafor.
     
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    76ers fans were concerned that D'Angelo Russell no longer wanted to play for the team when he canceled a workout Friday because he was "real sick."

    They have no reason to be concerned, according to a source close to the former Ohio State guard. "He really loves Philly," the source said.
    Russell got an up-close look at what could become his adopted home on Tuesday and Wednesday. Several mock drafts have the Sixers taking him with the third overall pick in the draft next Thursday.

    Russell arrived on Tuesday afternoon and had dinner with general manager Sam Hinkie. Then he spent Wednesday at the Sixers' practice facility at Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine. The point guard worked out for the team and had a lengthy meeting with coach Brett Brown.

    Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/...-with-Sixers-workout.html#UQmGb1u4V21kjGVP.99
     
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    D'Angelo Russell "killed it" at his 76ers workout on Wednesday, according to a 76ers team source.

    src: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

    Before D’Angelo Russell canceled a meeting with the Sixers last weekend, raising eyebrows, the Ohio State guard quietly worked out for the Knicks on June 11 in Westchester, The Post has learned.

    Russell, after the Knicks meeting, didn’t show up for the Sixers workout reportedly because he got sick. But he was back East Wednesday to work out for the forever-rebuilding Philly franchise, which may hold the key to Phil Jackson’s draft fortunes.

    http://nypost.com/2015/06/17/knicks...ss/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
     
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    I feel the same way, man. Trust me, I do. :). I'm sure the Lakers are cognizant of their big men history, but they are not oblivious to the changes in the game, or their success in drafting a guard or two; quite frankly, Russell and Okafor and defending modern lineups as well as the availability of FA big men could potentially strengthen Russell's case. I don't think it's an open and shut case by any means.

    By the way, I was listening to Mason and Ireland the other day; Mason asked Ireland if he seen Mitch lately, and John responded he had last Thursday. He said Mitch liked Okafor and liked Russell a lot. I think we draft Okafor, but Russell is definitely in play here. I want Okafor because he's won at every level, and as I keep saying he wants to be here; nevertheless, I won't shed any tears if we get Russell, believe me.
     
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    You won't have to.... I got you covered. [​IMG]
     
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    So, Towns doesn't want to do a workout for us? f*** you then buddy. Get your no.1 pick and enjoy your basketball mediocrity.
     
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    I can't believe that it's only a week until draft day. Time flies.
     
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    We never really know Mitch's plan until it happens, but if we take everything we've heard at face value, it doesn't seem like Towns is #1, #2, and possibly even #3 on our board. This brings up an interesting possibility.

    What happens if Flip takes Okafor #1? Do we just take Russell at 2? If he's our guy after Okafor, I'm not sure it's going to be possible to trade down for him and gain much value. Maybe Philly is willing to deal due to Embiid suffering another setback, but I don't see them giving up much. If Russell falls to NY, even if they were willing to deal, I don't see what they have that we should want.

    Orlando at #5 is very interesting, as they're on the hunt to pair a good defensive big with Vucevic, and they have plenty of pieces that I assume we'd love to have. The problem is really who is going to be left for us at #5. While it's unlikely, it's far from impossible for Russell to still be on the board at 5 and he makes absolutely no sense for Orlando. I could see Hinkie taking Kristaps and Phil taking Mudiay, WCS, or Winslow. If it went down this way, I think Orlando would be all over trading for Towns. I won't speculate about the haul we could get in return but it could be really good.

    Or. Maybe Mitch is thinking Okafor or bust and we focus on getting an established allstar and 1st outside of the top 5 for Towns.

    This is just wild speculation on my part. But yet another crazy scenario to think about with the draft right around the corner.
     

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