D'Angelo Russell Discussion: Adopting A Professional Attitude

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    Some of Randle's issues are fixable if he's willing to put the necessary work to fix them. Sure maybe not all of them, but there's no reason he can't develop a jumper or a right hand. Can't fix the lack of size or his small hands, but I still firmly believe he can be a 20/10 guy eventually. Who was Draymond Green in his rookie season? A JaG pretty much. Now he's widely considered and rightfully so an MVP candidate.

    Point being Randle is actually further along than a great player like Green was. Also Mark Jackson may have not been a great coach, but is 10x the coach that Byron is. What I do love with Julius is he's already a big time rebounder. That's no small thing. He is an absolute work horse on those boards. He's clearly a lot more engaged as a starter.
     
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    8 of 10 yesterday
    8 of 12 today

    20 points in 21 minutes (so far).

    Kid is balling.
     
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    I still can't understand why him and randle shouldn't start together. This is ridiculous. The kids are obviously our best players. Play them, end of story
     
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    One word...Byron. Of course it doesn't make any sense but nothing this season makes sense.
     
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    Most 20 point games by a player under 20, 1963-present, Lakers only:
    1. Kobe 24
    2. DA 4
    3. Bynum 1
     
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    One thing I worry about Randle is he still seems to think he's a star. He looks at his #2 out of high school and high NBA draft status and determines he should be handed the reigns. If he was smart, he'd try to be a Dennis Rodman type player this season. Clean the boards, play great defense and score only when he has to. Then in the offseason, polish all the places where he is dog crap on offense. He's a below average offensive player (not counting his offensive rebounding) yet he still thinks he's a #1 or #2 option on that end. Right now his career trajectory is looking more like Kenneth Faried than Draymond Green. He needs to realize his limitations, which are considerable at the moment. He has zero self-awareness.
     
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    If Randle turns out anything close to Faried, i will be stoked.
     
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    I don't think I agree with you.

    If you want to say he should recognize his shortcomings and address them, that's absolutely true. What you're suggesting though sounds more like he should realize he's not very good and should adjust his game accordingly. One thing I loved about Julius when he first got here was his extreme confidence in himself. He has a great work ethic and maybe more importantly a strong hunger to be great. He wants to be the best he can be which is more than can be said for a lot of young players. A lot of players are content to just be what they are and skate along as NBA players.

    Now I would love if he was more cognizant of his issues and worked to fix them specifically. I was ecstatic to hear he spent almost an hour after practice the other day working on his shooting with Worthy and our shooting coach whose name I forget. Last night his first shot was a jumper. I think he's starting to get it.
     
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    I'm kind of saying both. He is addressing it from what we are told, but I'm not saying he should think he sucks and not do anything. I think he needs to look at what's not working and stop doing it until he figures out why it's not working. He continually tries the same types of drives and it seems like he thinks they aren't working because he's having bad luck or something and not that defenders are playing him into his mistakes. He seems to think the ball isn't dropping because he's not doing something small when the reality is he is being guided to these mistakes by NBA defenders.
     
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    That's different from telling him that he's not a good player though or putting some sort of artificial ceiling on him. I don't want to do that. If Randle believes he can be great, I believe it too and I want to help him reach those heights. I'm not going to tell him, "You're not that good man, try harder to fit in."

    I'm going to tell him,"You can be great, but let me show you how."

    I agree that he's beating his head against the wall in some ways. I put that half on him and half on coaching. Why aren't our coaches putting him in positions to be more successful? Why isn't the entire team telling him: "Hey that's not working, let's work on something different?" I haven't heard anything about people putting him in those positions to succeed. I haven't heard anything about people telling him the specifics of what he needs to work on. I HAVE seen evidence of him working his tail off. I HAVE seen evidence that he wants to be great. That kind of attitude needs to be nurtured, not contained.
     
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    I think we actually agree. Maybe my wording was a bit strong. He shouldn't try to contain his ambition. I think I just want him to be humbled a bit and realize he's not as good as he thinks he is, but he CAN be that good if he works on it.
     
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    I can agree with that, but I don't know if it's a humbling he needs. What he needs is strong, smart leadership. Byron can't coach and that's killing the development of the young guys. Given a real coach who tells Julius what what he needs to do, how he needs to fix some things, and what he really needs to do to achieve greatness. Right now what is his leadership? What are his goals? What direction is he getting and from whom?
     
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    GT on LG with this stats.

    Russell has taken 6 half court+ heaves this year. More than the rest of the team combined, which says something about him.

    If you take those 6 shots out, his shooting efficiency is:

    42.4 FG%
    34.2 3PT%
    49.3 eFG%
    50.7 TS%

    Pretty solid for a teenage guard.

    Russell's Per 36 numbers in the Last 10 Games

    22.6 points
    5.2 assists
    3.0 rebounds
    1.3 steals
    62.1 True Shooting % (subtracting 2 heaves)
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    Check out the entry on DA in the "Where I Stand" thread. His month by month progression is crazy good.
     
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    It's going to be so enioyable to watch him develop over the next few years.

    I'm counting on you Mitch, to get a coach in here that will not stunt his growth.
     
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    Telling you guys .... it seems clear to me. He said he "would figure it out" in his Media Day Q&A with the press .... In fact he said it with so much assurance and belief in himself that he convinced the hell out of me. I took him at his word and made some early posts that it wouldn't surprise me if by Christmas he was well on his way to doing that.

    And he was well on his way by then and getting better by the week. IN SPITE OF F****** Boron totally jerking with him and demoting him to the 2nd string rather than encouraging and building on what he was doing on his own. What seems clear is that if he had had a good coach he would be right in the thick of it for ROTY. All these to be expected rookie mistakes and learning pains could have been so much more positively and effectively dealt with. What a shame.
     
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    Who is that person?
     
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