D'Angelo Russell Discussion: Adopting A Professional Attitude

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  1. ElginTheGreat

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    I am aware of that and yes that is really really high praise (especially for a rookie who is still figuring things out).

    We will see if he ultimately reaches that level, but I do believe the potential is there.
     
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    Yeah don't really see Jason Kidd. He is arguably a top five point guard of all time. As big a fan as I am of Russell I don't ever him reaching that level.
     
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    This looks precisely like the kind of game D'Angelo could have on any given night when he's gotten more comfortable in the NBA.
     
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    Compare DAR to 19yo Kidd, not the prime one. Can he reach his level, absolutely. Will he? Remains to be seen.
     
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    Kidd was an excellent on ball defender with his quick hands and solid, compact physique along with the requisite foot speed. Russell with his long, lanky frame likely won't be that good put he could be above average. The latter though looks to have better shooting mechanics.
     
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    Boooooo!!!!
     
  7. thkthebest

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    For some reason, Russell is getting a lot of criticism by the media. He's been compared against Mudiay and Okafor a lot, so here are some stats to debunk everything.

    Real +/-
    This is ESPN's version of RAPM. It is an attempt to show your impact on the field by trying to adjust your +/- with who you play with and who you play against. Okafor and Mudiay are last in the league. In other words, they are the two most detrimental players in the league in terms of impact. That's quite the accomplishment for Okafor, considering he plays on the already terrible 76ers. In any case, Russell outperforms the two.

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    The chart might be a bit confusing to look at because all 3 are in the negative, but higher is better. Being in the negative for rookies is also pretty standard.

    If we focus on just offense, the difference is even more apparent.

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    Lets also take a look at TS%. Russell admittedly started off slow, but he has consistently improved throughout the season whereas the other two have consistently gotten worse. It has now reached the point where Russell is equivalent to Okafor in efficiency and much better than Mudiay.

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    If we take a look at TO ratio, Russell is once again the best of the 3. This past week was actually really bad for him in terms of turnovers, but hey, he's still the best. For a big guy, Okafor sure does turn the ball over a lot. A lot of 76ers fans also consider him a black hole on offense.

    (Lower is better)

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    In terms of assist-turnover ratio, Russell has consistently been at the top. This past week drastically dropped that ratio so he is below Mudiay...for now. Okafor is way below them.

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    Finally, of course Okafor is dominating the other two in terms of rebounding. Okafor has been hovering around 13%. Russell has progressively improved throughout the season whereas Mudiay is starting to decline.

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    In almost every conceivable way, Russell has been better than the other two. Russell is supposed to be the "prospect" with the highest potential, but he's already outperforming two guys who were supposed to be more "NBA-ready".
     
  8. SamsonMiodek

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    Those are some very nice and encouraging stats @thkthebest, thanks for sharing
     
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    i 2nd that, very much appreciated! being somewhat still on the fence with DAR, this is awesome to see
     
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    Good stuff. Thanks for posting. Although, that doesn't include one very important stat: 'the eye-test'
     
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    Pretty great, but I think those numbers would regress a bit if you switched their positions. For instance, I figure if you put D'Angelo on Philly or Denver his efficiency would go down as his turnovers increase so that he's not blowing the field away.

    However, if you put Okafor or Mudiay on our team, I'm not sure they're able to approximate Russell's numbers either. I think those two ARE more capable of handling the load than Russell. I'm not sure that's truly debatable. They're bigger, stronger, etc. That's not to say they're flawless, but just physically they're more capable than D'Angelo is right now.

    The point is I'm not sure Mudiay or Okafor would be able to do what Russell is doing: thriving in efficiency and smart play while I'm fairly sure Russell could approximate what they're doing: putting up big numbers as they play big minutes and adjust to the learning curve.
     
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    I think the Jason Kidd analogy for Russell is right on. That's what I can see for his potential as well. It's pretty perfect. Not so athletic but great vision, some incredible passing, pass first but good pull up J, knock down the occasional open three, run the offense, good defender. That's really the model for Russell and it's a great goal, and potentially doable. One thing that separates J. Kidd though was his tenacity and his mental toughness. He's got that Oakland toughness that he was brought up with. Don't know if Russell is made of such stern stuff, but we'll see how it goes. I think he has the physical and basketball attributes to model his game after Kidd. The mental toughness is it's own thing.
     
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    Man, the information age has really turned everyone into some sort of analyst, it's kinda sad lol.

    I know it's fun to look at stats and compare to other players, the biggest props D'Angelo might have to receive is for handling all the pressure right now from all angles for being on this franchise.

    He could easily crack under the pressure right now or just wilt under the unrelenting chaos of Byron's coaching, but he's taking everything in stride and has improved game by game with lots of learning opportunities to be had.

    Imagine doing this with Kobe through years 1-3. People would've torn him a new one. His head would be on a stake for those airballed 3's in Utah. What's funny is I see those shots as almost symbolic of his career. He's made a lot of amazing shots in his career, but those ones stick out to me. INo matter what Kobe does, there will always be criticism, but he'll take that shot everytime, only to learn from it and get better.

    Let's be okay with the mistakes Russell makes, because he's definitely got the makings of that type of player willing to go through the tide and tribulations of becoming a great player.
     
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    I would like to see an in depth analysis of grit added to all those fancy lines and colors. It's the true measure of a player.
     
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    " What is all of this worthless s*** with f***ing graphs and s***? Just f***ing show up ready to play, man up, trust each other, and execute the system like you did in practice you soft a** lily white butt f***ers"

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    The other area DAR understandably needs more time to catch up to older Jason Kidd is becoming established enough to feel secure in publicly letting it be known that Scott is a freaking moron with his Xs and Os.

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    Looking more and more comfortable on offense.

    The best example of this last game IMO was when Kobe passed it to Russ when he was running up toward the top of the key. With no hesitation he got it and shot it quickly. He's learning how to get involved and find his spots.
     
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    He's a backup? Confused...
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