Byron Scott Discussion 2015-16 - FIRED!!! (PAGE 172)

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  1. lakerjones

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    We're 29th in the league in defense giving up 116 a game. Pathetic.
     
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    Thibs is an instant upgrade. However, and I didn't say this, but another very intelligent basketball mind said it like this 'Thibs is what M D'Antoni is to me; the God Father of the modern defense. However, teams have taken what he has done an improved on it.' Now, if that's the case, we're going to have tough it out this season. The Lakers have put themselves in a very precarious position. However, we can't fire Byron in the middle of the season. I don't see that happening as bad as this can get; and trust, it's going to get a lot worse.

    That said, I'd like to finish this season with Byron, and conduct a thorough search for our next head coach who is basketball savvy and fluent on both sides of the basketball. Somebody like Quin Snyder who was doing the assistant coaching jobs for years and finally got an opportunity in Utah and is doing a fantastic job. Luke Walton, Ollie, and a guy I never heard of until somebody else mentioned him; Kenny Atkinson. We need a young, innovative coach. Simply put, we need to hire our own Brad Stevens.
     
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    I get that for sure RandleROFY. And I also agree I don't think we're going to be firing Byron this season. He'll get to play it out for better or worse (obviously for worse). And you're right that we need to do is conduct a thorough search. Ollie has been the guy I think they will approach next especially with their mind on attracting Durant. Still, I wouldn't mind Thibs one bit.

    But wow has Byron you know what-ed the bed. Looks like his dream job is turning into a nightmare. For him, the team and the fans.
     
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    I'm not mad at getting Thibs...not at all. I want somebody is specifically well versed in the corresponding trends in the NBA; somebody who is great at player development, putting players in the right position to succeed, and installing schemes on both ends, while be able to make in game adjustments, etc.
     
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    This freakin "Byron experiment" will set us back at least a year. Who the f*** hired this moron...
    If it wasn't for Kobe's last year injury, Clarkson would be exactly where DAR is right now.
     
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    I feel like Hibbert is being wasted. Russell's development being delayed. Randle not being used to his maximum potential. Kobe not being reined in. In other words, no real offensive or defensive scheme whatsoever. It is to JCs credit that he has risen above Byron's bufoonery
     
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    Byron Scott is not a good coach. I think he needs to be fired. I rather Kobe coach the team than him because it's obviously nothing he's doing is working and we're terrible.
     
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    Defense is terrible but honestly...we do not have any good defenders on this team except for Hibbert...

    everybody else either completely blows on D or is mediocre.
     
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    Yeah alot of it is not having enough experience too.
     
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    Byron defensive "scheme": switch on everything, hedge all the way out to half court and zone.

    Who was the mastermind behind Indiana's defense with utilizing Hibbert, bring him here.
     
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    replacing scott won't solve enough of the problems, imo. yes, he's bad and has proven it several times over with different franchises, but this mix of players has some fatal flaws, particularly on offense (no three point shooting, no fearsome finishers at the basket). on d, they only have one legit nba center, and they play young guys who haven't figured out that end yet.

    anyway, brad stevens gets away with his style because boston doesn't have a kobe. in fact, they have almost zero veterans with established styles of play that could dictate (even partially) aspects of his scheme on either end. snyder's the same. when kobe retires, i expect the lakers to hire one of these types. until then, i don't think it would be fruitful.

    my big gripes with scott thus far have been the bass/kelly lineup (which may have finally been taken out behind the barn last night), and his inability to instill confidence in russell. but he was at the helm during clarkson's fantastic development, so i'm willing to ride this part out a bit.

    to my eye, the defensive woes are about guys missing assignments all over the floor. the only thing a coach can do is play guys who don't do that--scott doesn't have those guys. actually, i think that's why bass and kelly were playing, but they couldn't make up for their physical deficiencies. in other words, he's between a rock and a hard place. in last night's game, will barton (yes, will freaking barton) and gallo took turns abusing kobe down the stretch--can he bench kobe?
     
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    From Bill Oram's article posted in another thread

     
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    Wipe the slate clean next summer; we'll just have to suffer through another 23-24 win season...
     
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    I wanted to hit the like button but even though I completely agree I didn't like it...lol
     
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    But as I've been saying in several threads, you have MWP sitting on the bench getting zero time. Dude can definitely D better than Kobe at this point. Since Kobe is still insisting on jacking up threes I would give some of his minutes to MWP in order to bolster our D. 8-10 minutes a game is all I'm asking. I think it would be wise because we saw in Summer League how the intensity on D lifted when MWP came in the game. We are missing that sorely right now.
     
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    The bottom line is Byron had two main goals we needed him to acheive this season:

    1. Improve our win total.
    2. Develop our young players.

    You can make the argument that sometimes one of those goals comes at the expense of the other, but at the end of the day, Byron is currently failing at both.
     
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    I agree with this but I'm afraid Byron is getting so bad, and I mean bad, that he may force a move. You can see the life getting sucked out of the team and fan base. Management has to be feeling it even worse. We are witnessing an epic fail rarely seen in the sports world. How can they possibly go another 78 games. Look how bad it is and we've played four games.. Four games! My twelve year old daughter watched the game with me last night. She said, "sorry Dad, going to be a long year". I like your post and it makes great sense, I just don't know if they can wait.
     
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    The only encouraging thing I took away from Byron last night was the fact that he caved in and finally played Tarik Black after Kelly/Bass once again got decimated. Black looked good. But he left him in way too long. If he can just sub in Black with that second unit on a regular basis at least they will have a better chance, but with the starters you really need Roy.

    You guys might think I'm crazy, but I think if we subbed in MWP for Kobe in short stretches with the starters that will also give us a better chance. Kobe just looked terrible on D.
     
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    We'll see. I agree that Byron is digging his own grave right now. But it's so early and I pretty much think RandleROFY is right. They aren't going to do a Mike Brown on him right now and fire him with less than 10 games played in the season. They will try to ride it out this season knowing that it's Kobe's last and we aren't making the playoffs anyway.

    None of this excuses Byron's horrible start but I just don't see it happening that we're going to fire him. I wish we would though!
     
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