Anthony Davis Discussion: Thanks For The Ring AD!!!

The experiment cost them wins for sure

 

Flagg is a stud.

I am convinced, he is going to be a perennial all star within a couple of years.

 

Yeah he’s just turned 19 I think … wow.

 

yeah, i think we had some folks on the forum talking about how edgecombe was better after the first five games of the season or whatever.

flagg's going to be a superstar. i think the only reason his shooting is so bad right now is he's playing with an injured shooting hand. if he was shooting just ok from the perimeter, he'd probably be in the allstar conversation this year.

 

if i'm atlanta, i actually don't want to move zinger for AD. i want both. so the deal would be trae young to a third team and other stuff to dallas. maybe the clips, with collins, bogdanovic and djj going to dallas? dallas would need some picks here, and not from atlanta, imo. clips don't have any. dallas needs a young guard prospect back for AD, imo.

toronto probably requires a third team, too, as you could do barrett/poeltl, but dallas won't want poeltl, imo. salaries are hard here.

i really like harris/stewart/ivey for AD, but dallas needs to free up roster spots for such a move. they could actually just add jaden hardy or dlo and waive exum and this trade still works. i actually like it for both teams. dallas gets ivey as a more dynamic back court player, stewart as an enforcer, and harris as an expiring. detroit gets AD and a shot to come out of the east (though, tbh, i don't like AD/duren pairing, but they do if they're interested). also det likely doesn't want to pay ivey anyway, given that they have cunningham and thompson in place going forward. not sure a penetrating undersized sg is the right fit there. he's the expendable one.

 

Surprised no one posted about our old friend pulling his groin again on Christmas!



Looks like Golden State is interested in trying to trade for AD lmao I think it's a good fit to try to salvage the remaining career of Steph, just need to provide him with Otto Porter Jr devil magic to be healthy for playoffs.

 

i don't see how gs does it with their cap situation and the players they'd want to move.

i'm also starting to feel like nobody's going to give up anything of substance for AD. dallas may end up keeping him due to lack of good offers.

if i'm them, i trade gafford for whatever i can get and tell AD that he's a center again, for the rest of his tenure here. there will be no extension. if you can find a team that will give us something of value in trade (and maybe commit to playing you at pf, lol), we'll make it happen for you. otherwise, time to be a good soldier.

 

LOL what’s Nico been up to lately?

 

Sounds like Atlanta might dangle Risacher for AD. I think KP, Risacher, Kennard, Cavs Pick may the best deal they would get.

Meanwhile, I'm sure the Hawks ready to give up on the great Trae Young. He looked hilariously bad on defense against the Knicks.

 

i wonder if they wouldn't just use young as the primary salary ballast, with the mavs thinking of him as an expiring contract? or a third team that actually wants young (lol, this would be very kings/pelicans, but i could also see the clippers) taking him in on in exchange for something dallas wants.

if the mavs got risacher, all that salary relief, and a 1st out of it, that's not bad considering.

 

I was intrigued by the Bron for Jimmy swap idea. But if Bron plays off ball, he's such a threat that he absolutely affects spacing on the floor and gets people better shots.

We just need guys who can handle the ball and handle POA pressure on both sides of the ball.

 

Well, Dallas has Kyrie coming back and I think the Hawks are fascinated by pairing AD with Trae so I don't think that's going to move the needle. I'm sure Young is going to be a 1.5 year experience as he will definitely opt in.

I think Minnesota/Houston would be a great fit for Young too, but Youngs crazy salary is a big dealbreaker to match. Honestly, I could see crazy Milwaukee trading for Young to appease Giannis.


Nonetheless, Young would be a terrible guy to invest long term money in. He's going to fall off like IT.

 

IT had a pretty serious injury, though, and he was scoring-only, not much of a playmaker. young's a very good playmaker, imo. he just can't defend. he's what people claim luka is in that regard. luka is actually an average defender. young is bad. there's a huge difference.

 

I think unless if you're like Steph Curry on offense, a small guard who doesn't defend is hard to justify paying 50 million a year for lol. Once he loses a bit of speed, that offense will break down.

 

he's not getting 50 million again. that's why atlanta's trading him--because they couldn't come to a contract extension (atl realized he's not worth his current salary).

but the narratives about jalen brunson and trae young are interesting to me. i don't think they're that different, tbh. both are small, ball-dominant guards who can be an offensive engine but are very bad on defense due to their size and/or focus/effort.

but brunson's sort of revered by fans and media while young is reviled. not sure the disparity in on-court impact warrants this at all.

 

thinks he ends up in GS

clips could be a dark horse too if they're actually willing to part ways with one of their post-2030 1st rounders. zubac+bogdan+niederhauser+1st could get it done

 

I found it interesting that the most recent GS buzz was coming from Dallas approaching GS. AD there is interesting, but I don't think it moves the needle for them. It doesn't change the age or limitations of their best players. I think ATL is a really good fit IF they can find a 3rd team to take on Trae. All those wings, the balanced team, the defense + AD in the middle could be something. East isn't scary, it's much easier to make a swing like that and have a shot this year vs a team like GS making that move where maybe best case it moves you from 8th to 6th.

Hawks have to move off of Trae. He's TERRIBLE.

I think it's a few things. 1) Market/fan base. Knicks have fans, Hawks have people who go to games to watch the visiting team. 2) Brunson came in and was a part of their resurgence, Knicks are relevant. That era of Trae being useful to the team or part of them being good has come and gone, now they're happy when he sits so they can compete in a game. 3) While he's a grifter, Brunson at least gets to the rim more and that's more exciting to watch than Trae's shot selection.

I'm very curious to see what Trae's next deal looks like. At $50m and best player on a team, you're going nowhere and you can't build around him or cover up for the ABOMINATION he is defensively. Just look at all the youth, length, wings and depth they have around him and STILL they can't cover for him. At $28m and a 3rd option or as a 2B where there's a #2 he's on equal footing with, I think he can find success.

 

again, i'm not sure he's much worse defensively than brunson. and people have short memories regarding his ability to lead a team to playoff wins. i'm not a trae fan; i just think the pendulum has gone too far the other way. he can fully carry a respectable offense. that has value. there are teams that could use that. he's quite comparable to lamelo ball, too, imo. not dramatically different than damian lillard (poor man's lillard would be a sensible statement).

all that said, i think it's past time for atl to get rid of him. i just think a team like the wizards might become a playoff team overnight if they got him, and they could really use that!

three team:

to atl: AD, jaden hardy
to dal: mccollum, middleton, risachier, 1st from atl
to was: young, caleb martin, naji marshall

washington gets young for basically expirings (maybe some 2nds to atl?), just have to eat martin's contract, which is small, plus nobody ever signs in washington.

atl gets AD for young/risacher/1st--you could also amend the deal to move hardy to washington and marshall to atlanta if they preferred (marshall's a legit rotation player)

dal gets a 1st, a prospect and expirings, which is about the best i think they could do.