Head Coach Discussion: Canned Ham, Who Is Our New Coach?

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  1. Slick2021

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    What short leash? He started the 1st 32 games of the season, and was playing heavy minutes. Reddish and Prince are role players.

    I'm not feeling this new found D'Angelo pity party, he earned a demotion IMO, it's great that it looks like he evidently got the message, with his recent play. That doesn't mean that his performance, wasn't what it was, in the 1st 32 games either.
     
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    I don’t think it’s a pity party just everyone calling it how they see it.

    DLO is our third/fourth best player talent wise. Hes certainly better than Cam and Prince and I actually like what we’ve gotten from both of those guys.

    Even when he plays poorly our record is better with him on the floor than off of it.

    Getting benched when you have off games while others have a green light no matter what is a short leash. Cam and Prince aren’t starters and it’s no coincidence we suddenly look much better with DLO and Reaves healthy and starting.
     
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    Watching the guy who replaced you score 3 points has to sting you know

    :Laugh:
     
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    right. not sure what slick's getting at here. he started and played well for most games. he had a slump wherein he basically played like prince and cam always do, then lost his spot. we proceeded to get our a**** beat left and right anyway. it was dumb. it was random button-pressing that ham knew he could get away with because fans (and lebron) don't like dlo.

    on the season he grades almost identically to reaves (actually better in most ways). reddish and prince are season-long net negatives. at least reddish has been consistently good on defense. prince has been only slightly better on defense (and still not good) and not as good offensively. him never getting demoted but reaves and dlo both finding the bench (at the same time, especially) is a big part of how ham has mostly lost the locker room. had he stopped at reaves, it would have made some sense. but you could tell even that was shaky.
     
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    I am not sure what you're arguing here, Slick. Obviously, some of our players are frustrated with Ham. We don't know exactly why, but this is a forum so we speculate for fun. Ultimately, it's not really important why, but this is obviously happening. Maybe it's what I said, perhaps it's even more likely what Elgin said, and maybe there were some open disagreements in practice between Ham and several players. Again, we can't know any of those things for sure. But the point stays -- this is something that is actually happening and Dlo and Reaves are obviously unhappy with their coach.
     
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    But your stance is NEVER willing to point ANY at him it seems, or extremely few and far between. Unlike of course your Vogel sucked and still sucks campaign.
     
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    You even supported Ham for this move …. in spite of what it meant for 39 year old LeBron.

     
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    Vogel did suck and still does IMO. That's another subject, for another day though. I never said Ham was undeserving of any, of the blame, he's the HC. I said that all the fingers, shouldn't be pointing at him, that's a big difference.

    Now..where you not watching the games or something? D'Angelo started for the 1st 32 games, his play was inconsistent, and for whatever reason, he and Austin were not clicking on offense, and both were getting raped, frequently on defense. The general consensus around here, was that Austin might need time off the rest, shortly after, the season started.

    So he moved Reaves to a more favorable position, in order to get him going. Off the bench, it improved his play and the team's. I don't get all this yap about Austin starting, he's come off the bench for most of his career, I don't think he's as effective playing more, than 30 mins a game either. As long as he's in the closing stretches of games, what difference does it make? I trust in Austin's ability, to make plays and score, in the playoffs, and show up in crunch time.


    D'Angelo is a different story, he's supposed to be the starting PG, and with Vincent out, it was even more important that he played well. He was all over the place, totally inconsistent, and his play to me, was indicating, that he felt secure in starting regardless. Sending him to the bench, might have helped him , to get his head out of his a**. He's played better lately, just like Reaves.

    They both miss Dennis, but Lebron is more than capable of playing PG for a stretch. I wasn't talking about all season.

    We have 40 games left, and are 3 games out of 6th in the West, skipping the play in altogether. I'm expecting at least that, as currently constructed by April. We could blow up and make top 4, or make a trade we'll see. In Darvin I trust..
     
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    I get it, I was just espousing, on how they deserved to be benched IMO. Everybody should be uncomfortable at 21-21, they are showing signs of life currently, but if we beat the Flippers, I'm taking Ham's side, for the foreseeable future.
     
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    Alright. But I think Cam and Prince deserved to be benched even more, Prince has certainly deserved to have his minutes reduced, but none of that has happened.

    Again, we don't know why. Prince was brought in to be a 20-minute 3&D player off the bench, and he'd be good in that role. As is, he plays too much.

    Cam, on the other hand, has exceeded expectations, but he has no offensive game and we can't have him out there with another offensively challenged player. Especially if that guy is bigger and taller than him, ie. Vando. Cam should be used strictly as a defensive specialist in certain match-ups.

    So many things here don't make much sense. OK, you can bench Reaves... but if you bench both him and Dlo, this results in having only two capable scorers in the starting five and literally no PG. If you want, say, both Prince and Vando, then you have to play Dlo, otherwise we're down by double digits after only 5-6 minutes of play.
     
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    All I know is that Ham has surely lost BOTH DLO and Reaves. Those guys are super tight. When you’ve lost one, you’ve lost the other. This is our starting backcourt, and should have been every single game.
    Any other coach would have been shown the door by now, but I understand how embarrassing it would look for the Laker brass to concede that they completely failed on this choice, again.
     
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    Garbage coach. We could trade for Kawhi, Durant, and Jokic and we’d still lose because ham tells the team to just leave three point shooters open. What year does he think this is? 3 > 2 and EVERYONE can shoot in this league.
     
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    Man he was bad. How do you not play Vando with DLo and Reaves against such a perimeter small team.

    Bizarre
     
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    our defence is hot trash
     
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    Can someone make the case for NOT firing Ham at this point? Even as a thought experiment?
     
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    We are not fixed

     
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    Not if they want any crediablity in having any intelligence.
     
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    @Slick2021 ?
     
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    no.

    --Ox (Probably)
     
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    he's the worst coach this team has had probably since magic was the interim coach in the 90s
     

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