JJJ wins DPOY: I got no problems with it. I only wonder how AD would've ranked had he not missed so many games. I'd like to see Vandy talked about among the top 3 finalists next year. (Of course I would.)
I expect Draymond to get suspended at least one game, which shows how he can go 'n let his emotions get out of control; he went over the line, over-stepping (stomping?) the bounds. He best hope Sabonis's x-rays come back negative. GSW needs Dray in Game 3 and he probably won't be there. Not the teammate you want at this juncture. This game may mark the beginning of the end for the GSW show. I spend a lot of time up in the Bay Area and a lot of their fans now act like the worst – most spoiled and fair-weather – Laker fans. You've seen 'em: when the Lakers are flyin' high they ride the bandwagon; when they move into the years of re-building? They'll disappear. If GSW bows out in the first round I think they're over. And half of their fans will disappear. They had a pretty epic run, all in all. But ya know what? - and this is just my opinion - EFF the Warriors!
This is what happens to all teams fans, when the team wins a lot. Boston fans have been insufferable. UCLA fans completely suck. I am a huge UCLA basketball fan and I won't hardly post anywhere because most of their fans are pricks. They have run out more players and coaches than any other fan base I have seen. Being from San Diego, it is a stark contrast to the Aztecs who are almost always loved by the locals. I laugh at UCLA fans because they think everything should go their way and if the teams goes less than 30-2, they want players dropped, coaches fired, etc etc. I see that with some Lakers fans as well, they feel like rings are owed them. I love rings but they have to be fought for and earned. They are difficult to earn. Like I have said around here before, even Jordan ONLY has six of them and the rest of his time in the league, he wasn't even sniffing them!! People always say that he 6-0. That is BS, he played 15 seasons in the NBA he was 6-9. 9 times he failed to get to the finals. Nobody likes to bring this up but it is the truth. He was great the whole time but it takes more than that to win a ring. I am on the fence about Green getting suspended, Sabonis did grab his leg and I just don't know enough about Sabonis to understand his motives. The league will have to figure that out but it will effect the playoffs and that would kind of suck.
i think he's making the same assumptions that i said shouldn't be made (basically that offensive fouls no longer exist). i'm on the other guy's team in that debate. the only point cranjis had me thinking about was "what if zion just decides to run and jump through everyone?" but...that's an offensive foul if the defender is in legal guarding position (now and if the take charge is outlawed). again, any removal of the take charge would HAVE to include a staunch recommitment to calling the game accurately. refs don't call the game according to the rules, and that's how we end up with guys running under people. in the zion case, if you're between him and the rim, and he launches his body into you, it's a foul on him. if you're not challenging the shot and instead just taking up a space on the floor, it's a foul on you. so you challenge or you get out of the way. if the refs and players adjust, the game would be safer and more fun to watch. disagree with cranjis that it would make the game thunderdome. the main thing to be worried about is the dislodge (a la shaq). but AGAIN, if refs would just call dislodge fouls without requiring the defender to actually fall down, the game would be cleaner and safer. like, why did all post moves have to begin with a shoulder to the chest from the offensive player? if the defender is standing behind you, you should have to go over or past him, not into and THEN over or past him. sorry, i've got lots of rants here, but almost all of them come back to little departures from the spirit of the game and its original rules that turned into big problems that only seem intractable because they were left to fester for so long.
ZERO faith in NBA refs knowing what to do, if todays rules were to be changed. We would have a colossal cluster****, book it.
In a perfect world, abeer would probably be right. In the actual world we live in, I think Kenzo and Cranjis are probably right. If you eliminate the charge, there's no way that lots of players don't take that as a green light to launch full steam ahead into people, legal guarding position or not. It already happens now, it would happen way more and probably be even more dangerous if this happened.
Myers is going to pay some Sacramento business a s*** ton of money for access to a box for the next game in Cow Town
i guess...in that the take charge probably wouldn't even exist if the refs did their jobs right in the first place. again, eliminating running under people doesn't require a rule change. it requires proper enforcement of rules and an official statement of correction.
I agree with this, but there are edge cases that some people think is sliding under players. Do we agree that AD was in legal guarding position against Ja?
yes. and given the way the game is called now, he made the right decision to stay on the ground. i just think the game should be officiated in such a way that the right decision is to actually challenge the attempt and not fill a space on the floor. play the ball not the person.
I agree again then, except that that is definitely perfect world thinking. And since some people are using the AD-Ja play as an example of outlawing the charge, I think there will be bad interpretations both ways, whether current rules or outlaw charge rules, so might as well keep things the way they are, but call things way tighter for players sliding other unders (not in legal guarding position) or even add techs for it.
Actually, I think this does happen...in the restricted area. Defensive players go up and try to get a block, or they make a business decision and duck out. So the solution then, to get your desired result, would be to expand the restricted area. But that would make it so much better for offensive players and so much harder for defensive players, when the rules already favor the offense, that it might be too much.
If they're going to protect shooters and not let anyone under them, then you should protect the paint the same way. Injuries are much more likely when someone is going downhill at high speeds vs. standing still and coming straight down. If they allowed perimeter defense, this would limit that to a degree but we're never going back to that unfortunately. There's no right way to referee it or to change the rule where the ref can and will make the right call more often than not. Think they just leave it the way it is and maybe advise these high flying, high falling players like Ja, prime Russ, prime Rose to drive at your own peril and work on the rest of your game so when age or injuries make you play differently you're able to do that.
Yup. I mean, I like watching Ja's high flying plays theoretically, but practically, everyone has been saying that it's a big risk for a long time. The danger is coming from Ja and others, not the defenders. (When in legal guarding position or stepping into it. If you're actually stepping underneath somebody's landing spot, after they've left their feet, then that's dirty and this should be enforced strictly.)
i guess my counter is that if fans like the high flying plays, shouldn't we make them more possible. fans like blocked shots, too, and the charge ruins those as well. i always go back to the spirit of the rules and how the game is meant to be played. right now, we have fast breaks ended because a guy takes a charge when a player's already made a pass, for example. there's no way that when people were thinking of the game of basketball, they were like "a good defensive play against a two on one would be to plant myself in front of the ball handler so he had to run me over after he passed it to the other guy". the charge, i would argue, creates more collisions than would occur naturally.
Again, in a perfect world, I think you're right. But I think if you eliminate the charge now, all that happens is that players will bulldoze into defenders. Maybe if the refs adjusted and called things perfectly this wouldn't be the case - but I'm not counting on that happening.
