Head Coach Discussion: Canned Ham, Who Is Our New Coach?

man, we're just going to pin everything on the gm? wait until he's gone and things are exactly the same.

 

Right. Like I totally understand if the front office doesn't feel like say the Indiana deal is good enough to move forward on. However, there are other moves we can make so I've always hoped at some point one of those would surface.

But from his various statements, Ham doesn't sound like a guy who thinks a deal is coming at all. Feels like he wants to make sure everyone is clear that he's trying to work with what he's got.

 

Despite my comments and jokes, I don't think its all on Rob. I do believe he plays a large part in things but it would be unfair to say he hasn't had to deal with the Rambii, whatever Jeannie is doing with the checkbook, and input from his stars/Klutch.

 

Not trying to pin it all on Rob but he's the one that came out and said we'll address shooting via trade... only trade ended up being for Bev

 

When that's their job title, yes. I blame players for their shortcomings on the court. Coaches for their shortcomings on the bench. And a GM for his failures in roster construction ESPECIALLY when they said they're not done addressing the flawed roster they put together and thus far their ways of doing so have been trading too much for a washed Bev and signing an Uber driver to fix our shooting woes.

 

bevs shot near 40% from three basically everywhere but here. i guess last year he was at 34% in minny, but for the previous 6 years or so, he was the 3 and d guy everyone wanted.

anyway, everyone said he lied, but i think he actually thought he was going to fix it via trade. but the trade didn't materialize. as noted above, maybe he had something that ownership wouldn't sign off on. we don't know. and he can't say.

 

Maybe don't come out and say anything at all? Just make the move and let it speak for itself?

Tired of hearing empty promises and gaslighting from this team and management tbh

 

1.5 makes on 4 attempts for his career is not a 3 point shooter. Volume and conversion rate have to be waaaay higher. Pat Bev and Rob are the only two people who think of him as a 3 point shooter. That's what someone who is dared to shoot and tricked to shoot because teams leave you wide open hit on. A 3 point shooter draws defenders to him, there's a gravitational pull. Bev does not do that.

He was Rob's solution to a 3&D wing and that's offensive to basketball. He is none of those things. We wanted and still want a 3 and D player (Brown has stepped up and Walker at times, thankfully... still not nearly enough). Bev is the biggest bag of false, self proclaimed goods I've seen in this league in a long time. He's trash. No two ways about it. He's a hype gnat at best.

 

i think he was rob's solution to not having to pay THT another year to go unused on the bench.

anyway, still think it's weird that people have run with the narrative that rob lied to fans, much less to ham. the quote was simply "we're not done. we still have more improvements to make." it wasn't "we're going to trade russell westbrook for sharp-shooting wing defenders, because that's very possible and likely."

you think it's dumb to say bevs is a three and d guy (btw, i was told bruce brown was on similar volume with no gravity and even less of a track record), and i think it's dumb for fans (much less ham!) to expect that the piece we were unable to move for a full 6 months of trying was going to return nicely-fitting pieces to a contender.

if ham really bought this--while publicly LYING TO EVERYONE about russ and his role here--his intelligence and general acumen for his position worries me.

 

Well, a few thoughts on that.

Bruce Brown was mentioned as a potential three point shooter.

Westbrook was successfully traded before he got here and we've heard plenty of rumors of potential deals.

That's what makes Ham's comments (especially about the repeater tax) interesting to me. He knows exactly what deals were really being offered and who we could've obtained. Makes me wonder out loud if there were a few of those deals he actually liked that we balked on because we didn't want to spend cash.

No way to know for sure, but those are just some interesting comments from him that can be read into a lot of ways.

 

right. on the strength of one season on 1 attempt per game at 40% (and three others at numbers that made lonnie walker look like klay thompson).

he was traded in a headache for headache deal with john wall. we can definitely move russ for someone else's headache. right now.

don't see how ham lamenting the roster or finances is a good look for him no matter the explanation.

 

"Potential" is doing a lot of work there. As I've mentioned a few times, I never really had an issue with Lonnie there were just other guys I was interested in and wondered if we didn't land them due to not wanting to sign longer term contracts. Not a hill I'll die on.

True. But I think we can agree that headache is relative to the other teams' current needs and outlook. I think someone else's problem could be helpful to us depending on the player.

I'm honestly not sure what to make of Ham's comments. Did he just let something slip in a moment when he was being candid or was he trying to cover himself and throw the front office under the bus? I tend to think the former but I also tend to agree that he needs to keep those thoughts in house and not give anything to the media.

 

i actually think you're right and that had we given bruce brown two years, he'd probably be playing here instead of denver and we'd be happy with him. i'm guessing rob's thinking was the pat bev is basically like bruce brown, expires next year, and lonnie was a klutch favor who could blossom. brown's doing great in denver, but walker's doing fine here, too.

yes. but also washington didn't demand picks on top of the headache swap. maybe i didn't follow your argument, but it seemed to imply that russ was easy to move, where i'd say we have mountains of evidence against that case.

i agree. i think he slipped up. but he told on himself, and it's a bad look. i mean, the question was even about how he had to keep his optimism, and then he just sort of admitted he has none. not good.

 

Yeah. To clarify, I don't think its necessarily easy to move Russ (or make any trade).

 

yeah, wrong thread, but i'm hitting the market willing to take on any c or sf who can credibly play 25mpg for nunn/bevs. let's do it. i've seen enough on them.

 

I'm very curious as to the current cost for Ross and Bamba. That's one of the few one stop shops for both those needs in that price point.

Bamba's numbers in the 4 games he's gotten 17+ minutes this year look pretty good for a backup.

Ross gives us an appropriate sized wing who's hitting 43% from 3 so far this season. That's statue worthy on this team.

Would throwing in a few second rounders, some cash, and a move that helps them lose more be something that would interest them?

 

Everything but a decent roster.

 

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