Anthony Davis Discussion: Only Player On Both All NBA + All Def

To me this is it. I thought Ham was going to fix this. AD is a little older and has a stiff back but we still aren't using him right at all. If we could get AD moving and just shoot a bad to average percentage instead of horrible things would change. Even our already pretty good defense would get better. I have been a bit hard on AD at times but what is happening now isn't on him.

 

to me his movement wasn't what stood out so much as his money midrange jumper. no idea what happened there, tbh.

agree with getting him the ball whilst moving, though, too. i harp on it daily, and it was one reason i didn't like vogel's offense. well, that has not changed.

 

he hasn't been the same since the bubble. in 19-20 he still looked like the AD of old, but he's just broken down since then

 

Not surprising

 

i'm not there, but if we can't find the right russ deal in the next month, we may be finding the right lebron and AD deals in february.

i can live with it. but we need players back because sucking terribly the next two years does jack for us.

to be clear: i still think keeping AD is the right thing. just not if we're going to finish 11th again and lebron's going to turn 39 next year and is under contract.

 

I'm very curious as to how the league sees AD and what value they assign him. I'm not ready to move him because I don't think we'll get anywhere near a fair return and the players I'd like to move him for aren't possibilities. But I'd be curious to see A) the teams interested. B) what they would be willing to give up.

-If you include picks, AR, and Christie could you get a Tatum? They would counter with Brown, would be my guess.

If you package him with Russ can you get Lavine, DD, AC, and Patterson from Chicago?

-Warriors seem like a very likely fit given they have a variety of options to offer up. Something with a base of Wiggins, Kuminga, and Moody would be my guess.

I just have no idea what the marketplace would be for him.

 

OR you load manage him like the clips do kawhi. and he's actually more durable than leonard. just plan on him playing 65 games and strategically sit him. we could do that with a deeper roster, imo. but...you know...

i promise any team that trades for him would definitely take this approach from day one and probably look good for it.

now we're cookin'

they hang up. tatum never gets hurt and has a real champion's mentality even if i'm not sure he's actually a top-tier talent. he's untouchable unless it's the holy triumvirate (luka, giannis, jokic), and even then you're not sure about it.

i don't think they do brown, either, tbh. not while they're winning and just came off a run to the finals.

i think you get DD, pat williams, vucevic, and 2 picks. they say you get the 2nd pick or caruso.

lol, they'll want to dump green on you, but i'll want to dump russ on them!

wiggins/green/moody for AD/russ. who blinks?

me neither, but i'm here for the discussion.

with the ever-present disclaimer that i think we probably regret it. AD's still a very unique, very talented player. he's just not a full-time guy, and he's not a 1a offensive option--but his gravity around the paint on offense can make secondary players into bona fide playoff scorers, imo (see what dirk did for jason terry as an example or really what jokic does for murray in some ways).

 

btw, separate from our musings--i don't think we can move AD without moving lebron. iow, their exits will be organized by klutch, not us.

and again, if we don't move russ, i could actually see this happening.

it's funny you mention the shaq trade because while everyone thought that sucked, i think it was a pretty good deal considering a) shaq was a superstar and b) he publicly demanded out. we got caron butler, who was an impressive young player on his way to becoming an allstar, lamar odom, who was an allstar talent who played huge roles on title teams for us, and then brian grant, who was a playable if overpaid vet who only had two years left on his deal at the time, iirc. plus at least one pick if not more.

trying to think of what a comparable deal would be today...maybe john collins, deandre hunter, and clint capela plus a 1st? capela's probably a bit more valuable than grant was then, but hunter's less valuable than butler was, imo.

 

Trade AD for Simmons

 

5 games in. Sounds about right.

 

let him sit rest of the season, he can come back refreshed n last more than 10gms