Russell Westbrick Discussion: Clipper Gonna Clip

missed like 1 or 2 Lakers games last year even with how bad we were, even if it at times felt like torture

don't think I have the energy to bring myself to watch this all over again if Westbrook stays

 

you’re a brave patient man. It feels like I watched just 2 full games with brickshow, maybe the Reaves game winner and the very last game of the season

 

2 full games?



WUSS

 

Hahahahahhahahahhahahahahhaha!!!!!

 

I always thought KOC was somewhat reliable, so it’s interesting that he apparently said this (although I don’t know the context, maybe this quote got aggregated poorly).

Definitely would represent a big shift from the messaging that we’re not looking to give up our firsts in a Russ trade.

I do agree with what Quinn is saying here, continuing to mortgage the future to try to hit a “home run” for a “Big 3” without the ability to put depth around them, probably not a great idea.

But I can’t lie, if hypothetically a trade like that came on the table, it would be exciting to consider.

If there were no viable trades for Russ without any picks attached meaning we’d have to keep him, but Russ with both firsts attached could potentially get you a legit third star that happens to fit very well with Lebron and AD, that’s an interesting choice.

 

We might try to reboot with Beal and AD moving forward if things went left. Beal seems to be a bit injury prone too IMO(He hasn't played a full season since 2018-19, and only twice in a 10 year career thus far). It's interesting that the " guys putting up stats on bad teams" crowd, seem to fall silent when the topic is Bradley Beal, however he is a talented player. The Wizards did have a little success earlier in his career tho. He is only 28 years old and should be heading into his prime. I'd roll the dice on a disgruntled young star all things considered, if AD puts out another half a season 3 years in a row, Lebron is going to dip IMO. Falling back on two young injury prone guys is better than nothing.

 

because his team has been consistently better when he's on the floor. this isn't a drummond case, where he puts up numbers has net zero effect or worse. beal's worst recent season (last year) in terms of impact is better than drummond's best recent season (last 5 years).

that's why.

 

I'm not sure how Drummond and Beal really relate. The league has moved away from bigs and towards perimeter players. Embiid, Jokic and AD might be the only truly impactful bigs left. They all have perimeter aspects to their games too. Washington has been pretty mediocre for the last 4 seasons. Granted Beal has been one of their best, if not the best player on their team. I would expect that they should be better with him on the court. Does this make him a " winning player" tho? If we traded for him, I'm not complaining one bit, but I have my concerns about him too.

 

i have no concerns about beal, which is part of why we have no real shot of getting him unless he decides to opt out next year and lebron takes a paycut. that would be awesome, but i just don't see it.

washington's been a bad organization for a very long time, and he's helped them be respectable here and there.

my issues are with guys that stuff stats on perennial doormats/historically bad teams. it's why i worry about christian wood, who looked great on two of the worst teams in recent nba memory, each of which was just fine having him out the door. washington, on the other hand, has been bending over backward to try to keep beal. i think these things mean something: people who see these guys every day have VERY different opinions than the box scores would suggest.

 

I get the sentiment but it's kind of like comparing a grapefruit to a tangerine. Beal is a franchise player, Wood is a rotation piece. All things aren't equal in this league, for the hypothetical cost in a trade involving those guys, I would welcome either of those two. I'd have higher expectations for Beal than Wood. That said, I believe that there is also more than one way to skin a cat. Both ideas worked for me for different reasons.

 

I assume you're talking about the Wood talk.

There's a big difference in top tier talent on bad teams (top 3-5 player at their position) vs. someone who's just a starter on awful teams who are as good (or bad if they're tanking and that's their goal) without him. Beal is a high end all star and a legit #2 on a championship team.

Wood has not been a meaningful part of a team to win more than 20 games. 20! Beal has at least seen 44 wins, 46, 41, 49, and 43 during the Wiz years. I compare his situation to AD in NO. Injury comparison. You can see the elite talent even with the team's struggle. The front office isn't great and has made some decisions that hurt the star but aren't actively tanking, moving players to support the tank, or sending players home so they can lose more.

 

i will say that beal's recent injury issues should maybe be a concern. like AD, you have to figure out if they were blips/bad luck or part of a long-term trend that will continue.

 

See the above post.One is franchise level talent the other is a rotation piece. I don't understand the context about what Wood did in Detroit or Houston, as to how it relates to playing for the Lakers. There were no Lebron, AD and Russ in Detroit and Houston. A Wood trade kept the big 3 intact, that would have been an excellent trade for the cost involved. I viewed Wood through the same lens as I saw Kuzma, a rotation piece. He's a superior talent to Kyle Kuzma IMO, and on this team he would have been subjected to one on one looks whenever he was on the court.
Beal is a different animal, he becomes a potential replacement for Lebron, and we give up all future draft picks in order to aquire him. It still could be a great trade if he can stay healthy, he's a very talented player. One idea gave you a rotation piece and we keep the flexibility of moving Russ later to improve. The other is an all in right now approach, both could work, again for different reasons.

 

I spelled it out already. Russ hasn't been injured for most of the last few seasons. I wasn't comparing Westbrook to Beal anyway Cookie. I'd trade Russ for Beal, that's a great deal for us. It comes with its own set of risks, but like I said, falling back on two "injury concerns " as your foundation pieces isn't exactly the end of the world.

 

I'm hoping this is just a stroke of bad luck for Anthony. We need him, and we need him to be at his best.

 

Perhaps a multi team trade to get Russ out. Irving is disgruntled, Beal could be an option

 

LOL …. but hell yes please.

“Wizards looking to rebuild around Russ and Kristaps Porzingis”

:THT Heart Hands: