Russell Westbrick Discussion: Clipper Gonna Clip

NO he can't, Westbrook is not a Wade/Irving type of guard. James can be effective without dominating the ball tho, but he doesn't choose to do that. Something has to give. James will be 38 next season and the stamina is waning, we have to move away from the Lebron centric offense eventually, with or without Westbrook.

 

Admit it your months / season long defense and excuses for his s***ty play and attitude has no basis in reality besides you never coming off any of your takes no matter what. LOL at Me, that will never happen with You.

 

Yeah, we know the narrative.

Again, he was trash for most of the season.

Lol.

 

He can LOL all he wants.

Westbrook is trash and on the downside of his career.

Unfortunately, he may be here next year with @Slick2021 defending his atrocious play.

Maybe Ham can bench him.

 

I can't win that argument. He definitely was subpar

 

OMG is this real life on LB??

 

The main thing is always the main thing with me. It makes a difference how a facilitator plays, if he's not playing with his main scoring threats. Russel Westbrook is not a small two guard playing the point, he is a true PG. I said Russ turned it over too much, missed too many layups and too many FT's. I didn't blindly defend everything he did. However I did look at it from the context of he wasn't playing with the team, that was envisioned when we made that trade. Therefore I'm not laying everything at Russel Westbrook's feet. You may feel that hey...he's supposed to compensate for Lebron or AD, he's Westbrook..he get's paid x amount of dollars etc etc. I didn't and still don't. He's the 3rd option here

 

But you never talk about the awful didn’t give a f*** attitude on defense and especially team defense. That in and of itself, ignoring what they pointed out to him in film sessions, was damning. Why did Vogel finally start benching him in crunch time and he copped the attitude in the presser following the game and carrying it forward like he was wronged the rest of the season?

 

Because I think the turnovers, ,missed layups and FT's were more detrimental than his defense. He had plenty of company with that defense angle. Film sessions and whatnot...that's the NBA bro, that wasn't some big deal. Players and coaches get into it during games sometimes. Nobody said the man's attitude was some kind of problem on the team. No player or Vogel himself ever said that, that's never been the guy's MO either. His public persona and comments made to the media don't seem to correlate to the way, the guy actually carries himself in the Locker room and the organization. I will say this about the feeling wronged thing. I posted an article a long time ago from the Athletic I believe, where Russ flat out said that he never had a sitdown with the coaching staff, about his role before the season or during the season up until that point. He double downed on it a few days later. Frank didn't deny it all, he gave a vague answer about well, we haven't had the team together and it's kinda hard to have a plan without the guys we expected to have playing. That was poor management on the staff's part IMO. It's funny that we now we hear it was one of the reason's he got fired. You make a trade that big and it's we'll figure it out as we go? Last season is over we have a new coach, hopefully we'll catch a break on the injuries. I'm sure we will have plenty discussions about Russ coming up..

 

“Film sessions andwhatnot...that's the NBA bro, thatwasn't some big deal.”

It’s half the game of Basketball and he’s in shape and athletic enough to be decent at it. You lose all credibility defending it. Seriously it wasn’t some big deal? Bull S***. The other less physically talented / never were any good on D players have excuses. He has NONE. Same for less than best efforts from LeBron and AD when they happened. Unacceptable. Westbrook was outrageous!

 

Man you can't possibly point out how Westbrook's defense was more detrimental to the team than Monk, Melo, or even Avery. Avery tried hard but was routinely hunted and lit up on a regular basis. Monk..I don't think he ever figured out where to rotate to or when to do it. Ditto for Melo. Yet you keep harping about Westbrook..I saw these same games you did, witnessed the things I just mentioned, yet you seem to have amnesia about them. I noticed that in the game threads too..Westbrook made a poor effort or rotation on D..and every one harps on it...turn around in the same game watching the same thing happening repeatedly with some guys and it's crickets. After the game..it's Westbrook's Defense..blah blah blah..SMH..those guys got hunted repeatedly in every game. Whatever man. He was no lock down defender but this worst defender ever crap is some CAP. Once again..No that film session nonsense was not some big deal.

 

You have reading comprehension problems or just ignoring these other players have no chance at being above average defenders at this stage of their careers, no matter how hard they tried which was a hell of a lot harder than he tried? I said that and you go right on with your nonsense. Ridiculous, just keep regurgitating the same crap with regards to Westbrook.

 

So what? He can make a 100 million, he's one of 5 people on the court. It doesn't matter if they are getting paid 50 bucks, they are out there on the too. Dennis was supposedly one of the very best defensive point guards in the NBA last season . He wasn't much of a facilitator though. I'd rather have Westbrook.

 

OK, that attempt at logic didn't work. Let's try it this way: do you expect a cashier at Walmart to do the same job as their CEO, CFO, or COO? Of course not, right?.... Right? There's a salary gap for a reason. Logically there is a reason one player is making the minimum and one is making nearly $50 million dollars. With higher wages comes higher expectations in any field at any job. That's not up for dispute.

 

Jeff, Bo, Miles, or Mikal? Cause I'll take any of them at the point over Russ

 

The film session nonsense and his not cooperating with what they tried to point out to him and everyone else is cancerous as well. He has the physical ability still and was too self centered to cooperate or be bothered.

 

You are over the top with that stuff man.Monk is younger, bigger and just as athletic. Why does he have no chance at ever being an above average defender? Russ is 33 not 25 but I still didn't see this outrageous stuff you speak of. Watch the Finals Steph is the same height, same age and he can't guard anybody. He'll make a strip here and there but he gets beat off the dribble a lot, he can damn sure shoot that rock though. Give me some games..pick the 1st, middle or last 10. Let's look at the actual games not a play here and there and judge how Westbrook's defense cost us the win. I'm bored I'd rather watch that than these Finals.

 

Monk doesn’t have Russ’s strength but maybe he does get better. He seemed to improve some over the season. No one else on the team was getting clowned on line for their stupid, inattentive, non caring attempts at playing D like this guy and for good reason.