Head Coach Frank Vogel Discussion: The Fall Guy

Vogel has no say on his assiance or the players mgmt goes after, that doesnt sound like a HC

 

I heard Sedano on ESPN 710 today suggest Juwan Howard as a candidate. He cited how Juwan played with Lebron in Miami, has coaching experience as an assistant coach in Miami under Spolestra, and is now currently the head coach for Michigan State.

I honestly would like this option much more than Doc freakin’ Rivers.

But seriously though, while watching the HBO show Winning Time, it reminded how the first 3 coaches Magic Johnson played for (McKinney, Westhead, Riley) were all relatively unknown but they had the vision for the team to reach their potential.

We don’t necessarily need a “big name” coach, we should somehow who can become the next big name coach. Riley, Phil Jackson, Popavich were all unknowns until they got their opportunity.

In more recent years, the same can be said about Spoelstra, Nick Nurse, and even Steve Kerr (had no prior coaching experience before the Warriors) are examples of younger coaches that when given the opportunity shined.

That’s what we need. I just don’t know who that is but that’s what the front office needs to do, approach it in a way where they are scouring the assistant ranks, college coaches, euro coaches, g league coaches for the next big thing. The hidden gem.

 

I’d love for us to hire a real search firm and do a true coaching search. I just know we won’t.

 

Here's our search firm

 

Don't be sorry for Jeanie, she's a big part of the problem.

 

So was he.

 

They're going to just hire someone who has a previous connection with the team. That's just the Laker M.O.

 

What was Vogel's connection?

 

God... it will be Rambo, won't it?

Ah... who cares. Time to stop caring, I guess. They sure have.

 

If it’s a logical and smart way to go about something, our FO will steer clear of it.

 

I guess he would be one of the rare exceptions. That said, he was the FO’s 3rd choice, Ty Lue being the first.

 

The FO announcement should be:

"We are aware we took a defensive coach with a defense roster then removed the defense from it placing even more emphasis on our stars to perform, playing Lebron and Anthony Davis more than they've played in 5 years and setting them up for injury. It is with great sadness that I announce the termination of myself, Rob Pelinka, and Kurt Rambis and we need to tell you all that Lebron James had nothing to do with any of this, as our severance pay greatly depends on that statement."

 

very strong possibility lebron didnt want to play under lue again.

 

Vogel worked as an advanced scout for us during the 05-06 season.

 

Who’s the “myself”?

 

yessir, he worked here before

 

yeah, lue wanted 5 years and the ability to pick his own staff. which is fine for him. our reason for not picking lue was silly (and symptomatic of our poor organizational structure), but vogel/lue was a coin flip to me at the time, and still is. williams was better than either, obviously (and was my preferred choice then, too).

 

Lue was an unknown commodity outside of coaching Lebron, so I didn't think it was unreasonable to pass on premium contract requests at the time. He still had a lot to prove.

 

still does. but it's weird that we gave walton 5 years and wouldn't give lue 5 years. and it's doubly weird to foist an assistant on any head coach, imo.

vogel was more desperate to get back into coaching and saw an opportunity for a ring, so he dealt with that stupidity. in the end, he'll get paid for 4 years and get a ring out of it, so you can see why lue's salty over the situation. he chose wrong but for the right reasons?