Talen Horton-Tucker Discussion: Growing Pains

Lebron is 37 and starting to miss time regularly. Making rash choices based on his time window will make us the cavs from the past few years and waste the remainder of AD’s prime.

The 21 year old mle salary having a down year is a weird target for ire amidst a sea of more worthy targets.

we have time to wait because we’re doing jack this year.

 

i was hoping he'd step up, too, but he's been playing fewer minutes with lebron out instead of more. i don't think he's the kind of guy who can be effective in 15mpg.

i'll be interested to read a retrospective in the offseason about THT's year. what were the actual expectations within the organization and how did it go sideways? his confidence has clearly taken a hit, as has the team's confidence in him. a year ago, people outside the organization were speculating he'd get a huge payday. even on some occasions this year, he's looked really good. they say vogel's good with articulating roles--what was THT's role supposed to be and what did it end up being and why?

 

i agree, but i'm tired of my own westbrook trade whining.

 

THT has been learning from his new veteran PG. He had four turn overs in a row. Good to see Westbrook passing on some of his skills!

 

You can't help yourself can you? Everything to you is a Westbrook problem.

 

Calm down- it was a joke.

 

Awful game. He did calm down a hair after Frank pulled him, talked to him about the consecutive TOs, and put him back in. No idea what he was thinking. Is he intentionality trying to sabotage his trade value so we're stuck with him?

 

i didn't see it, but i was wondering when we'll bench him, tbh. he's basically actively hurt the team all year. and i'm a fan and want to develop him, but maybe he also needs to learn that if you don't produce you can't get on the floor.

i feel like the contract created unfair expectations for a guy who's really only played one year of spotty minutes prior to this one.

i'm glad they pulled him and talked to him, though; that might be the better strategy, long-term.

 

it's an interesting point about sunk costs. one school of thought is that by NOT moving him, we're sinking further cost, but imo, the return for moving him is likely to be even worse, long-term than just taking our lumps on the contract (assuming he just never improves). a year from now, absolute worst case, he's expiring ballast for trade. what we move him for might not be.

 

His offense is trash but he like all their young players under Vogel (caruso, KCP, Kuzma, Reaves) he's becomes a very good defender.

 

THT and Ariza were poor tonight. I hate when people highlight +/- in these cases. All it means is THT wasn’t on the floor when Barrett and Randle couldn’t miss in the first 6 minutes of quarter 1 and he was on the floor when Monk went nuclear in the third.

 

Maybe because better defenders makes some of those guys actually miss? THT for example tied up Barrett in OT with an awesome hold ball off a dribble drive

 

Made a few Eagle like plays in OT