Talen Horton-Tucker Discussion: Growing Pains

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  1. FrontOfJersey22

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    He’s fine.
    He’ll be inconsistent on this team, just like Kuz was.
    He’s still really young.

    Kuzma was very instrumental in helping us win our last Championship.
     
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    If THT can play like he did tonight on a consistent basis, he would stay on our team in our rotation. Don't disappear kid!!!
     
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    Kuz faded hard in the playoffs and didn’t contribute much in our championship run unfortunately.

    This was the best game THT has played since his first three this season. That’s a helluva long dry spell.
     
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    Kuz actually became a very good rebounder and decent defender. There is more to the game than scoring points( see Alex Caruso).
    As for THT, it’s kind of hard to get any rhythm shooting the ball playing alongside two ball dominant players when you also are most effective with the rock in your hands.
    Anyway, y’all can give up on him- I ain’t stopping you.
    I just have more patience than the average fan when it comes to home grown talent.
     
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    Maybe THT needed something like this to fuel his inner Talen?
     
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    Good points FrontofJersey22. Kuz did improve greatly in his rebounding and defense over his years here and I defended his play a lot on this board in that regard. You are right about that and we are seeing some defensive improvement from THT.

    Ultimately though I don’t miss Kuz at all because while he improved in the regular season he never was a great fit here and in the playoffs he totally disappeared.

    With THT I’m not seeing his fit either really. He’s a good young talent but if we can get a better fit at wing who is also young like Grant I'd do that trade. I feel like we are too guard heavy and need more size.
     
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    kuz didn't fit with lebron and AD, THT doesn't fit with russ and lebron. but as i said in the kuz thread, i think if and when we move THT, he's going to look good somewhere else, and our return won't be as good as we hope (i don't think we're getting grant).
     
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    You might be right abeer3. I think the FO is going to evaluate the situation moving forward. Probably no moves until close to the deadline. We most likely want to see how Nunn looks on the court, see how Grant heals up and continue to monitor THT’s progress before they make such a decision. They also probably give Johnson a couple more 10 day contracts during this period of evaluation. That’s my gut instinct of how this all plays out. Maybe with Stanley’s D and if Nunn plays well they might shelf the idea of moving THT and see how he develops. I’m not opposed to that nor to a conservative approach about weighing options for the next month. I’m impatient with THT but he did show us something last night finally!
     
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    Even made a mid range shot. Even if was an old man step back one legged one.

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    I know we won't do it and this is half-joking, but we should shut him down after that game until we trade him. Use that as proof of concept before he tanks it and goes months before another game like it or weeks before hitting another 3.

    Another way of looking at half joking, is I'm half serious.
     
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    Interestingly enough, I think the FO kind of feels the same. Vogel has been saying that when Nunn returns he’s going to play significant minutes. He intimated that it was probably THT who would play less in that case which makes a ton of sense. I don’t think they will totally shelf him but I do believe he’s the guard in the rotation who will get less minutes.
     
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    I'm ok letting him earn his minutes and inspiring him to work extra hard when he's in the game. He'll know he has to be focused and ready when he gets his chance. This is what life is like for 21 year olds on championship level rosters.

    "aspiring" championship level rosters for the non-believers
     
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    Here's the article that kind of confirms what you are talking about JSM.

    https://www.silverscreenandroll.com...ndrick-nunn-role-minutes-return-date-timeline

    Here's the exact wording from Vogel in there: “Kendrick is going to get a ton of minutes when he gets back healthy. It’s going to be at the expense of somebody else, at least for the time being, to see how he fits in our system alongside our stars, and all that stuff will play out. So I have a general idea, but all of that is still to be determined.”

    He's not going to limit Bradley who is playing great on both sides of the ball right now. And he's not going to curtail Monk who is red hot. They shouldn't cut back Reaves as he's been such a huge plus rating whenever he's been in this year and like Bradley plays both sides of the ball well, plus adds passing and boards.

    That leaves . . . you guessed it THT who has been struggling except for last game. We've seen THT - he's a work in progress and he's quite young. Time to see what Nunn can do instead.

    Even though you were half-joking I believe you are right and he's going to get shut down.
     
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    I’m afraid it will hit Reaves’s minutes too much until he has to prove himself again on offense. Hard to do when your teammates rarely pass you the ball and you make the additional right pass often.
     
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    Yeah, I don't want it to but it might. I'm still thinking THT is the guy Vogel is thinking about though because he's praised Reaves' two game quite a bit this year. I believe he'll still get minutes. THT looks like the odd guy out right now. And I believe JSM while only partially joking kind of hit on what will happen. They will cut down THT minutes and play Nunn a lot to evaluate his fit with our guys, while keeping Stanley Johnson on 2 consecutive 10 day contracts. During this time they'll be figuring out if they want to keep on with what we have for the rest of the season or make a move at the deadline which will be shortly after that.
     
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    when healthy, reaves and THT have been getting about 20 and 25 minutes, respectively, right? guessing nunn's going to get about half from each. or, more likely, vogel will alternate fully droppint THT and reaves from the rotation entirely.

    i don't love it, but i think reaves will still be effective in limited minutes. THT...i don't know. he plays better when he's carrying more load, imo.
     
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    Not a fan of this “he’ll have a big role when he’s back talk” from Vogel. It was the same when Ariza was starting to work his way back. I guess its to stir up competition but it’s a little like Schroeder being promised a starting role to me.

    If Covid didnt already mess up our rhythm bringing Nunn back is a huge role would do it.
     
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    yeah, that's assuming you think we've developed it, though. one way to interpret vogel's comments is that he thinks it doesn't matter because we don't have any continuity anyway. and i'm not sure that's wrong. not to be the debbie downer, but i've been less impressed with our recent win streak than most. these are bad teams that we're relying on lebron to barely scrape by. that's not what a well-oiled contending machine looks like.

    to me, giving nunn a good look now is probably the right call. we need to find out if he can help us/fit in right away. trade season really opens in a week or so.
     
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    He’ll get back and then be out with COVID

    :Laugh:
     
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    He actually already had it or at least was in protocols.
     
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