Phil Jackson was essentially fired after 6 championships unless you don't count, and I quote, "I don't care if it's 82-and-0 this year, you're fu**ing gone." by Jerry Krause a firing so your point is moot. Vogel's stint in Indy was impressive where he took them to the playoffs 5 out of 6 years including the conference finals twice and the last year that he was let go. They've had first round exits only since then so a lot of good replacing Vogel did. He got the title his first year here. He's running 50% on championship years here so let's let him finish the season, no need to act rashly and in haste especially when there is no better option available and it's not the coaching that is this team's problem right now. People are joking about Ariza not going to help much but he and Nunn were 2 of our biggest acquisitions this year and Ariza with THT to cover the quicker wings will be a good defensive duo and Nunn will look to get after it on D as well, he's not bad, especially in the right situation. I'm looking to see those 3 on a squad together. Add Dwight and one of our sharp shooters. Not a bad bench.
If he can't figure out that the AD at the 5, is not a good look against everybody. We are not going to win a chip. If we don't win a chip, Vogel won't be back. If the former keeps being a problem, he won't make it to the playoffs.
What do you think is going to happen? The FO is going to get rid of Lebron, AD or Russ, instead of a coach they only offered a 1 year extension, after he won a Championship?
I’m not going to blame Vogel for the stars (and VETS) effort out there but my god, fix your rotations/lineups!
The lineups pale in comparison to the major issues this team has: 1. Lack of focus and intensity on the defensive end. 2. Expecting to beat short handed teams with minimum effort 3. Relying too much on individual talent on the offensive end 4. Not having enough good defenders
He has enough weapons to win the games, or he won't be coaching the team by January. It is what it is. If the players aren't putting out, for whatever reason, the coach gets fired period. That's Pro Sports. Now if he wised up to the fact, that perhaps, his franchise player, really is a power forward and not a center. And put another big on the court with him, his defensive strategy might be more effective. His perimeter guys could press up more, because they have two mistake erasers playing behind them. He might find that Davis doesn't really need all this "space" either. He's not Giannis, his handle isn't that great, I think he needs less freedom to try and create off the dribble. He's not good at it, he's not that good with his back to the basket either. He is a face up, power forward. Damn great one IMO. Frank isn't blameless, that being said, we'll most likely win enough, for him to keep his job IMO. The West is pretty weak this season. The playoffs are make or break for him tho.
No you can't blame him for everything, and I don't. But yeah the lineups are just hideous half the time.
Entitled to your opinion but mine is that you are way out of line in what is wrong with this team. Your entire argument is that Vogel is using AD too much at the 5 and he should be replaced for it. That has worked in the past for us, he'll play it out and use it situationally as he sees where and against who it works.
I don't blame Vogel for our team being gutless but I do blame him for not playing Austin. Set the heartless gutless players down, of which we have plenty, and let the ones play that want to win.
I'm not blaming Vogel for putting this sh*t show together. But I think there are coaches that can do better with this roster than he is doing. If your players aren't playing hard, that IS A COACHING PROBLEM. Maybe he has lost the locker room, I have no idea. But even James after the game said that the line up changes are wearing on him.
i'm trying to recall a time when a coach "lost the lockerroom" and "the lockerroom" wasn't the actual problem. you're here to do a job. i highly doubt frank vogel is the reason you're so lazy and unmotivated. again, this isn't junior high. if you don't have it in you to play hard, don't blame it on someone else. i'm sure with fizdale as coach, we'll find the fire within! whatevs. that s*** with the fawning over an opposing coach's playcalling was disgusting (and stupid, tbqh, especially given that team's offensive performance this year). we get it. you want someone else blamed. we replaced the entire roster at your request. after we replace the coach, what's next? rob? jeanie? when are you accountable? i think i know the answer.
He needs to pick a starting 5 and go with it. We're 25 games in - I can take the first 10 games of experimentation, but right now, he needs to stick with what he believes in...
Yeah. I get why people take issue with this as Vogel was handed a team he is not suited for but this is the reality IMO. Team has got to get it going or Vogel won't be on the sidelines whether we agree with it or not.
He's not confident in any group of players it seems. I completely get that, but yeah, I do think he needs to pick starters and let them develop some chemistry on the court. He can always turn to the analytics if he is really struggling over who he wants to put out there.
This is where he needs to start. Pick a starting 5 and stay with it. IMO. I mean: it's kind of ridiculous to not have a starting 5 at this point. Pick a direction and go with it.
Well at this point if he is going to choose he will probably stick with Bradley and THT with the starters which stinks. Not sure I want him to commit to that.
Went thru the lineups: Lakers were +8 when Howard was in against Adams. I think players deserve plenty of blame I hated the Russ trade and still do but I just don't know what Vogel is doing attimes. The Grizz used size and strength plus aggression and you don't match up with it makes no sense IMO
i assume this was a joke. he needs to be fired, like yesterday. i think dallas is just too embarrassed to admit it. total agreement with this guy. feel like the whole organization has adopted this weird "when ariza gets back, we're golden" narrative, which is quite troubling. if your plan was ariza being the key to what we do, you should definitely have gotten two arizas instead of 5 (!) small sgs. i also think an underplayed story is how disappointing dj has been. it's clear vogel (and others) were counting on him to be...not s***ty. and now they're scrambling. anyway, if the team wants to fire vogel after the season (assuming this keeps up), ok. i just don't see how his removal solves anything at all right now. hell, if you keep him on you won't have to develop a new scapegoat when this crap continues!
