Head Coach Frank Vogel Discussion: The Fall Guy

I agree that last year he also built the defensive success of the team and that KCP and Caruso were not the defenders they are now compared to one or two seasons ago.
Maybe he can do that with THT and Bazemore or Nunn and we have a strong closing lineup

 

Our offense ( including TOs) and defensive rebounding are bigger pbs than the defense itself.

 

I’ve been critical of Vogel and my thoughts haven’t changed. He should have added an offense guy to the staff

 

obviously Vogel has to bear some of the fault, the roster isn't good, but we still should be playing a lot better than this.

 

thats just Westbrook n maybe melo but vogel couldve had say with the others

 

I get it, but who else was gonna guard Tatum? 37/38 year old Lebron or 37/38 year old Melo?

 

How the eff do you lose by 20+ points to the friggin C Bags without their leading scorer Jaylen Brown??

 

Frank might not survive this road trip if he doesn't wake up soon. Even if he does survive, and he should, he's going to be on thin ice moving forward.

You have to scrap this AD at the 5 experiment IMO. Start Howard instead of Bradley and play him more than 10 minutes a game. We need more physical play on the front court. Too many 6'4 and under players IMO. Rondo and Bradley need to be glued to the bench for the foreseeable future. Bradley is 6'2, I don't understand why we signed him, he's too small and he doesn't score consistently.

 

well if hes just a yes man puppet coach, why we need a coach like that around with this mess?

 

The issue is: there isn't anybody out there better than Frank on the market.

If he does get fired, we'll be in a worse position.

 

Byron Scott is available

 

Vogel does the best with gritty teams that defend. The Pacers with preseason P and Roy Hubbard defended. The meme team championship team defended with KCP, Caruso, Dawite helping cement that idea with Ludabrow leading the way defensively. Even Kuz bought in.

Then Rob trades away our defensive identity for the 44 million dollar Smush Parker who looked horrible in the bubble just over a year ago even though there were other options that were a better fit.

Now we're stuck for the foreseeable future. That isn't Frank's fault. Now some of the lineup decisions, such as the Rondo Smush lineup, that's Frank's fault.

 

When does Reaves get back?

Start him @ the 2 to replace Bradley.

Get LBJ back to SF.

I'd probably go with Melo @ the 4 keep AD @ the 5.

Bradley is probably one of the worst starters in the league from ana analytics perspective.

Time to bench him.

 

I heard Phil Jackson isn’t very busy right now.

I wonder how the triangle office would look like with this team and also in this era

 

The thing is that Westbrook didn't have anything to do with the defense getting cooked last night. Schroder had all of his 21 pts by the 3rd and Russ wasn't the one guarding him. Bradley the gritty defensive type of player you mentioned that Vogel likes, got slaughtered in the 2nd half. Frank didn't play Howard and went with small guys around AD or Lebron, and we got punished for it. Vogel has a large chunk of blame that deserves to be laid at his feet too. Bradley has been getting smoked for a minute on the perimeter now, Rondo is a worse defender than Avery, but he is playing them over Howard for some reason. The idea that a 6'2 Avery Bradley was a viable option to defend Jayson Tatum was terrible , lack of size on the court is the problem with the defense IMO. Yet he does have available options to address that, but he hasn't done it.