Anthony Davis Discussion: Only Player On Both All NBA + All Def

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  1. Barnstable

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    I feel like you guys are getting lost in the particulars when it doesn’t really matter yet.

    AD wasn’t aggressive enough. LeBron wasn’t aggressive enough. Our defense was crap on the interior. Our defense was crap at the 3pt line. We couldn’t hit any of our 3pt shots. Etc etc bla bla bla.

    Most of you guys have been watching the NBA long enough that you should know there is always a negative narrative for a loss. This one just happened to be AD had a bad game (among other things). So what? I can’t remember AD being a destroyer in any of the games we lost last playoffs either, so yeah, your second best player having a bad game is kind of how you lose. But it is in fact just one game and last playoffs, AD came back with a vengeance.

    If AD strings a couple of bad games together in a row, or lots of bad games in a series, then I’ll be worried. But until then, the fact is it’s just ONE BAD GAME. Sheesh were we supposed to win them all?
     
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    isnt every 1 just criticizing him for this bad gm? no one saying he's done for or this bad play is gona continue
     
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    Terrible game from AD but pretty much for most of our guys except AC Fresh.
     
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    These points are fair, and AD had a horrible game with inexcusably bad effort. Before the game he was quoted saying he doesn’t give a f*** if people call him soft too, so yeah, not great. All that said, I do still think having someone like Drummond in there to start games can help lead to AD starting slow. It’s also on him to be aggressive and try, but I think the team needs to put him in positions to succeed early and get him going, he’s not super self motivating, he’s not a guard, he needs to be fed the ball for dunks and layups. That is usually when he gets going, when he starts getting easy ones. So no, Drummond isn’t making him play like this, but he’s also not helping, and I still feel like starting and playing Marc more opens things up, and Marc is a good passer so that also makes things easier on AD.
     
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    I have no problem if people want to criticize this game, but I’m seeing a lot of people saying it isn’t just a bad game. It’s AD not having killer instinct. It’s AD not being able to carry a team after LeBron retires. It’s AD is soft. Etc

    But really it IS just one game.
     
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    its hard not to call him soft when he just continues to settle being a jump shooter even when he's off
     
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    His jump shot was a big reason we won the championship last year.

    I know he’s big, but AD has never been a great back down post up player. He’s at his beat when he’s knocking down jump shots, fallaways and lobs.
     
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    ^^^^ AD won't shoot 49% from midrange again though .

    He is who he is , a top 5-7 player who could be top 3-4 if he was playing way more to his strengths
     
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    The loss isn't solely on him. Our perimeter players weren't hitting shots. We weren't playing defense. Missed way too many FTs. And outside of those early Js, Bron wasn't doing much either.

    That said, just two weeks ago, he had one of his best games as a Laker against the same team. Suns weren't missing anyone. Nothing changed, except for AD's assertiveness. He was the third best Lakers big and the 4th best big in the game. Ayton, Trezz, and Drumm all out preformed AD. I don't care if AD was playing PF, C, or PG... has to do better. Did nothing without Drummond on the court either, so Drumm can't be the sacrificial lamb for this one either.

    The sky certainly isn't falling, but he has to get locked in and stay there. We're in the playoffs now, there's no excuse from anyone for coming up short on effort and engagement.
     
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    this.

    have you read all the posts?

    this again.


    as i stated before: find me the lakers player who really killed it yesterday. pretty sad effort all around, but only AD seems to be getting flack. lebron stuffs the box scores even when he's bad, and he was bad in yesterday's game, imo. pretty much every single player needs to play better.

    and while i'm on the "drummond causes AD (and therefore, our team) problems" train--part of that is AD's fault. i think he asked for drummond. now he's got him and has to learn how to make it work. hard to do with a grand total of like, 11 games together, but that's where we are.
     
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    yeah, that was an outlier year. he shot the ball much better than KD did for a season. I don't know how much we can attribute that to him being AD rather than it was just an anomaly of a year.

    It's not like he has to be taking every mid range shot as well. you can go to the post a few plays to make the other team bite. if you're in the perimeter for the majority of the game, then the lakers should have just paid andrea bargnani because that is not what makes AD special and certainly not why the lakers paid him.

    and defensively, he has been just average. no way around it. he allows players to blow by him and just stands there waiting for a teammate to pick up his slack.
     
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    he had a 3 year stretch where he shot 40+% on long twos, which is really good (and very difficult to defend in the playoffs). then he fell off a cliff. looks like he stopped taking them to take more threes (which probably means they're now a shot of last resort and thus, lower quality shots), and i think mathematically, that probably worked in his favor. but he's down at like, 25% from three this year, and that's hurting.

    other telling stats: his % of attempts at the rim this year and his percentage of assisted dunks, both quite low for his career. part of that is injury (as are the shooting woes, imo), and part of that has to be some issues with paint-clogging.
     
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    Pretty simple really. If we get last year's playoffs version of AD + LeBron we win another trophy. If not, we don't.
     
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    We're missing the way Rondo could find him for easy buckets
     
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    when its not working you have to do something else tho, certainly the offense wasnt helping him but his effort wasnt there either
     
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    What I'd like to know is what happened to AD's beastmode when he came to the Lakers? To be clear, I don't really think he could have been any better in the 2020 playoffs. That was not just otherworldly, but statistically historic. Having said that, when he played for New Orleans, he would periodically go off on certain nights, and absolutely BEAST down low. He'd have 42 points, 17 boards, and 4 blocks, and look like an absolute animal in the paint. Have we seen ANY games like that from him as a Laker? Where's the Mamba mentality night to night?
     
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    I agree, the team sleep walked through the game. But heavy is the crown. It's not Kerr and Longley that get the heat, it's MJ and Pip. It's not Fish and Grant, it's Kobe and Shaq. It's not Fish and Ariza/MWP, it's Kobe and Pau.

    Bron has had more setbacks recently than AD. Bron is 36, AD is in his NBA prime. AD just dominated this team and looked like the best big in the game while doing so. When you're a top 5 talent, I hold you to a higher level of accountability and expectations than say...KCP
     
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    Sadly we saw that kind of game from him just the last time we played the Suns! He had 42 points double digit boards 5 assists 3 bocks and 3 steals. He was literally the first Laker player to EVER put up that kind of line. So yesterday was even more disappointing when we know what he is capable of and did just like a week ago against the same opponents.
     
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